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"No. I'm saying, if, say, the cops would allow Cape Cod fishermen to loot a gypsy camp because a gypsy somewhere pissed off the Cape Cod fisherfolk, then that would demonstrate the righteousness of ethnic cleansing of Cape Cod fisherfolk as total farking yahoos."

That makes no sense to me.  Please clarify.

"who is to say a certain amount of violence / vandalism is not justifiable?<<

Me."

And are you a judge at the Hague, Balsz?   

"We have stupid rioting in this country over such stuff and it oughta be put down with rifle fire."

No further discussion is possible if this is really your attitude.

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27 Reply by The Yell (edited by Chris_Balsz 23-Jul-2010 03:29:45)

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I'm saying your "victims" are collectively guilty if they think a riot is "justice".  And should be deported.

I'm better than a judge at the Hague--I think people should be punished.

Do you really think the guy who loses his job--or his eyesight or his life-- because a building got firebombed or robbed in a riot, had anything to do with police at a checkpoint?   If the bourgeois deserve mayhem and death because they ignore the repression of the lumpenproletariat, where are the lumpenproletariat?  If you say "they own the police, they should have protested, they deserve this" why weren't the "victims" protesting 24/7?  By that standard the only righteous men are chained up in trees protesting right now.

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Balsz wrote:

I'm saying your "victims" are collectively guilty if they think a riot is "justice".  And should be deported.

In some cases you would be right.  In other cases, you'd be wrong.  We cannot say that in every case rioting in unjustified.


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I'm better than a judge at the Hague--I think people should be punished.

The international courts' legitimacy may be questioned, of course, but do you really think that every criminal deserves severe punishment equally, that there are no mitigating circumstances?  Can you be too lenient on a rampaging axe-murdering child predator?  No, probably not.  But should a homeless single new mother who leaves her newborn in a dumpster deserve the same fate?


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Do you really think the guy who loses his job--or his eyesight or his life-- because a building got firebombed or robbed in a riot, had anything to do with police at a checkpoint?   If the bourgeois deserve mayhem and death because they ignore the repression of the lumpenproletariat, where are the lumpenproletariat?  If you say "they own the police, they should have protested, they deserve this" why weren't the "victims" protesting 24/7?  By that standard the only righteous men are chained up in trees protesting right now.

I fail to see your point in this last part.

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I'm saying your "victims" are collectively guilty if they think a riot is "justice".  And should be deported.

In some cases you would be right.  In other cases, you'd be wrong.  We cannot say that in every case rioting in unjustified.<<

Yeah I can always say randomly killing and maiming and arson is wrong.


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I'm better than a judge at the Hague--I think people should be punished.

The international courts' legitimacy may be questioned, of course, but do you really think that every criminal deserves severe punishment equally, that there are no mitigating circumstances?  Can you be too lenient on a rampaging axe-murdering child predator?  No, probably not.  But should a homeless single new mother who leaves her newborn in a dumpster deserve the same fate?<<

Why not? Their victims were both innocent and denied life. You can always feel more sorry for a murderer than for their victim.  The victim doesn't tell you why they didn't deserve to die. They don't tell you about their problems. Quite rude of them!


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Do you really think the guy who loses his job--or his eyesight or his life-- because a building got firebombed or robbed in a riot, had anything to do with police at a checkpoint?   If the bourgeois deserve mayhem and death because they ignore the repression of the lumpenproletariat, where are the lumpenproletariat?  If you say "they own the police, they should have protested, they deserve this" why weren't the "victims" protesting 24/7?  By that standard the only righteous men are chained up in trees protesting right now.

I fail to see your point in this last part.<<

Really simply, I would argue xeno syndicated should not catch a molotov cocktail in the face, period.  Your argument says "well if the guy who threw it had a politically correct socioeconomic grievance, leave him alone"

that is hard on people's faces

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Re: Gypsies rampage through french town

Why is this subject of debate? Them gypsies, travelers, romas or whatever they're called should've been lying face first on the tarmac with a policeboot on their neck.

Why did this not happen? Is there any further news on this matter, East?

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"We have stupid rioting in this country over such stuff and it oughta be put down with rifle fire.

big_smile hahaha I like it

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"Yeah I can always say randomly killing and maiming and arson is wrong"

Alright, when the government takes away a constitutional right to, I don't know, use the internet, and people riot, they should, according to you, Balsz, "be put down with rifle fire", am i right?

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Re: Gypsies rampage through french town

yes if they riot which is random killing and maiming and arson

now if they REVOLT...they should WIN!

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Right, and so, let me get this straight.  You are all for killing and maiming and arson when it is in a revolt which changes the status quo, but when it is done in riots, not so much, right? 

Why? Is it simply because the latter doesn't affect the status quo and the former does?     I see.  It's not about principles or ethics or anything for you, is it, Balsz.  For you, it's about always being on the side of the victor.

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Re: Gypsies rampage through french town

same stuff happening in belgium

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eiixg6AXWyg

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>>Why? Is it simply because the latter doesn't affect the status quo and the former does?     I see.  It's not about principles or ethics or anything for you, is it, Balsz.  For you, it's about always being on the side of the victor.<<

It's the difference between targeted violence to remove oppression once and for all, and "Hulk angry, Hulk smash".

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Are you a Gypsy, Balsz?  Or if not a Gypsy then a member of another traditionally oppressed people?  If not, then please explain why your opinion on the matter should be taken seriously?

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so I'd feel like helping instead of throwing a brick?

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40 Reply by BiefstukFriet (edited by BiefstukFriet 01-Aug-2010 08:21:19)

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Those poor downtrodden gypos! Them bastards trees never gave them the light of day and deserved to be cut down.

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I don't see what the big deal is about the fact the hooligans were described as a gang of gypsies, especially if that's what they were. I don't see it as racially motivated at all.

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