Satan is a fictitious character though. Therefore you're entire thread is made redundant by using him as an example

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With what you say about abortion, Torrents an homosexuality how is it you come to the conclusion that your right and the other side of the arguement are liars, when it in fact could it be your the liar?

I reccomend you read some Rene Descartes or Immanuel Kant before we continue this discussion.

Oh and chill out making Assertions.

EDIT: What im trying to get at is, How do you determine what a lie and a truth? And Indeed if there is even such a thing as a Lie or even a Truth?

Zarf...

The answer is yes in my opinion, the definition of a lie is telling someone something which is untrue so y you may beleive it but its still a lie, however that brings me on to another question

If you lie but beleive it to be true where does the responsibility lie.

The responsibility lies with the instigator of the lie. as an example , Islam, The muslims will swear blindly Allah exists, this is still a lie but to the person saying it its truth. The responsibility is with Mohhamed for spreading it. But again to my original question.

How do we determine who is lieing?

As in my arguement, I said Mohhamed lied about allah, but 1.6 billion people will call me the liar.

So first we must define how to work out what constitutes a lie and a truth

Marking all these as lies just makes discussion about them impossible, since you can counter any arguement by just saying "no, you're lying". way to win a discussion on serious topics...

*cough* biased much *cough*

Don't forget about The Professor with his coconut lie detector!

i agree that lies and politics have the same basis, but is the politics forum the right place for this?

Flint, I hope your 26th attempt at a career isn't going to be trying for a TV evangelist.

I maybe lying with the above statement.

I could pull off being a TV game show host with fire and bad humor

It's a pointless post Flint. I could call about anything a lie like that.

Also, monks never decided what should become part of the bible. That truely is a lie.

> Einstein wrote:

> Today I wish to talk gospel in a way you do not expect.

I will speak of the act of Lying, of Lies, of The Lie.

The first sin created was a lie. Satan deceived himself, lucifer as he was known as lied to himself that he deserved more.

On Earth he caused the first sins of lying.

Lucifer lied to Eve, Eve lied to Adam, and they all lied to God.

To me all sins are based upon the original sin. If you steal you feel you deserve it... A lie to yourself.

If you murder you have lied that you had justification, cause, need, or otherwise.

This is where true evil hides, in a lie.

And it flourishes, grows, and multiplies.

Our whole history is a lie. The Bible is supposed to be perfect... Written by monks who decided what got added and what was not added.

We are not perfect, this is truth. Anything we write about the one perfect being is tainted by our imperfection.

There is a chance the old Testament was truth, but translation makes it imperfect.

Once all men and women spoke of Christ, as if modern pastors. No longer.

I say you must learn of your lies, watch for those who base arguments upon them.

Lucifer started pushing his lures truly hard again, starting in his most recent strain about a hundred years ago as far as I can  discern.

We may be near the end, for ignoring the divide between beliefs is a lie. Acknowledging the divide exists is truth. How wide can be debated, but not its existance.

This divide may trigger the war mentioned in Revelations, which if not a lie can be assumed to be mostly correct. Survival, belief, death, disbelief.

Who here besides myself see's the future, knows what comes, and is scared? I do not wish to utter "congratulations, you destroyed the world", and yet those words ring loudly in my ears. For this war will destroy so many lives.

Back however to the main topic.

Forcing a belief of homosexuality is a lie if you believe forcing it will fix all, or that the word marriage must be used. There are further lies here, but I shall not change this from lies.

You lie if you say illegal torrents are ok for you.

You lie if you say all abortions do not take life, most simply proven by removing the could be child at the chosen time and seeing if it could survive.

You lie if you say illegal aliens have a right to be here, for the law in intent, desire, and form says they are not to be here.

If the lie controls your life then maybe this can wake you, though I would bet against it.

If you meet a person stuck on the lie then do not trust them, for they lie.

If a belief structure relies upon lies for survival, how can it be treated as gospel, or as truth? <

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