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Re: [UK] "Radical" Prison Reform

Americans keep hearing that we spend more on medical care in the last six months of life than in the last twenty

this is meant to make us think of a selfish old wraith clinging bitterly to its husk

but I wonder.  If a 40 year old woman finds a lump in her breast she's gonna sow money like breadcrumbs to find out how to get rid of it and keep it gone.   if a kid suddenly has tunnel vision people are going to spend or borrow to find out why.  I suspect that people who just get potentially lethal illnesses are going to fight like hell because they don't know its their last six months, they just are afraid it could be.  There's another statistic I keep hearing, that "a third of all bankruptcies are caused by medical debt" (bogus in that nobody has to state a CAUSE for bankruptcy in the USA, just present the math....but I bet 1/3 have medical debt listed)

i don't think elder care is as big a drain as suggested

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Re: [UK] "Radical" Prison Reform

Well yes, of course more money is spent in the last months of life than otherwise. That is because you are likely to be severely ill and/or in need of emergency care in the last months of life, otherwise you wouldn't die. Specifically I am talking about the UK NHS and I am saying that it is a poor spend of taxpayers money to pay for curative healthcare for people over a certain age (I don't know what age, let's say 80). The 40 year old woman with a lump in her breast still has many years of life ahead of her if she gets rid of that lump. The 80 year old doesn't, so what is really gained by saving her from the cancer? She will just die of something else in another not very many years. If she wants to spend her own or her family's money on her treatment then let her, but the taxpayer shouldn't foot the bill. And I believe this is a major funding issue for the NHS, and is really quite removed from the treatment of younger people.

tweehonderd graden, dat is waarom ze me mr. fahrenheit noemen, ik reis aan de snelheid van het licht, ik ga een supersonische man van u maken

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Re: [UK] "Radical" Prison Reform

How did this thread become a health care debate?

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Re: [UK] "Radical" Prison Reform

us uk pissing match

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Doesn't every thread become a healthcare debate? I thought that was what this forum was for.

tweehonderd graden, dat is waarom ze me mr. fahrenheit noemen, ik reis aan de snelheid van het licht, ik ga een supersonische man van u maken

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at least your govt says it has an excuse for letting them out

California was ordered to do it because we won't build prisons or rein in guard salaries

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> Zarf BeebleBrix wrote:

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>You know... it's funny how the exact article you posted proves my point.  The man was in prison.  When he >comes back, he's lost all his investment in society (business, land, wife), largely due to his separation from the >world.

No it doesn't; He was already a nasty piece of work, that is why he lost everything. It was his own stupid fault and he wasn't man enough to accept it, and now he is dead because of that lack of acceptance. If anything he should have been re-habbed before release.
But ultimately his own cowardice ruined, then ended, his life. In my opinion.

>The person he became may be a lowlife who you think should be locked up.  However, your criminal's own >admission creates an indication, which we should examine, that the system may be the cause of repeat crime.

The person he was should have been locked up, the person he became was a killer and an idiot.
An inability or unwillingness to stand up in society and try, actually try to be the man you pretend to be, is the cause of repeat crime.
Or cowardice. In my opinion.

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[ RE Beating the snot out of the convicted:
What about the innocent? ]

>Um... they shouldn't get the shit beaten out of them?  Was there some point in this argument which I may have >missed?

Corporal punishment is all fine and dandy, maybe even capital punisment too, but only until an innocent person is "punished". People get framed, the police get the wrong end of the stick, and some people are just plain stupid.
Imagine a man charged for rape... branded for life, "RAPIST", on his forhead... and then it turns out he's innocent. Imagine his life.
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"Beyond a shadow of a doubt".

"So, it's defeat for you, is it? Someday I must meet a similar fate..."

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