Topic: Chris Balsz, you think Republicans a lost hope?

Ok Chris you seem stuck on a tune of Republicans won't pull their head out their arse, and that the liberals of the party are still calling the shots.

Can you please elucidate me on how you think there is no hope.

As a TEA party man, a Republican, a Conservative, and a Politician I see hope as a possibility if we fight for it.

You just seem so despondant?

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Re: Chris Balsz, you think Republicans a lost hope?

The Republican party is moving too far left. Bush is very left, and retarded. Mccain is left. Soon both parties will be calling the same shots and China will be urinating on our lifeless bodies.

Chris probably agrees to some extent.

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Re: Chris Balsz, you think Republicans a lost hope?

From 1993 to 2005 Republicans nourished the Reagan Coalition with the argument that the Democrats were fundamentally skewed on defense, spending, the judiciary, pro-life, ecological extremism, taxes, regulation and foriegn policy--and that giving Democrats control of any of the three elected powercenters in Washington delayed the day of glorious Conservative policymaking.  From 1993-2005 the Republicans blamed the troubles of the country to Democrat control of the Presidency or the House or the Senate.

2004 was the last year that Republicans ran as a team, around a positive agenda, on the idea that a Republican President and House and Senate were going to operate as a team.  It was also the last year Republicans could consider a big win.

Almost immediately in 2005 it became clear that the Republican Party, with the magic trifecta of President, House and Senate, was not going to deliver on its promises.   If a Republican felt like screwing the mandate, like McCain with his Gang of 13, then he went and did it, and nothing was done about it.  There would be no reform of the judiciary.  There would be no massive tax relief--the Bush tax cuts were still portrayed, wrongly, as some sort of expense by the government that must expire.  The Republicans showered pork to special interests, and Bush revived the amnesty program that everybody thought was dropped by popular demand in March 2004.  It led to a civil war within the party, led by McCain, at his most vile and destructive.  They also assaulted the First Amendment protection of political speech. 

By 2006 the bulk of Republicans had no defense of their rule except "we're the lesser evil", a mantra which continues to this day.  In 2006 the House and Senate went back to the Democrats, and in 2008 stayed Democrat, and McCain, the great divider and whore, mounted to the pinnacle of Republican power.  Before that, Bush collapsed and gave corporations the keys to the Federal Reserve, literally pledging unlimited responsibility for the debts of Wall Street.

Today, outcast, the Republican Party is reduced to Mad Men without the balls.   There is constant "marketing" which is posturing wtih a finger in the air to gauge the wind-- and no "salesmanship" which is the art of persuading people to change their minds.  There are damn few salesmen in the GOP and too many marketers.   As an organization, it has no soul.  It has no concern with doing the right thing, or figuring the best it can do.  It is about doing the easiest thing.  Coupled with that-- and I have wasted hours and hours on "rightwing" sites, arguing with common folks and bloggers-- is a sneering rage at the "purists" of the Party.  Anybody who wants what Reagan delivered is a "purist", their words, too "pure" to go along with the crowd and celebrate moderate liberals that the Republican machine calculates will be least offensive to the middle.  Selling the value of the Bill of Rights, and of capitalism, and any point of conservative ideology, is a hostile act to these "center-right" Republicans.  Persuasion is something for the fringe to do; after they go do that, the Republican Party may hopon the bandwagon.

When I was a boy I heard a old joke by Abe Lincoln.  "If you call a lamb's tail a leg, how many legs does it have? Four. Calling a tail, a leg, doesn't make it one."  I don't hear that one anymore.  It would upset the Republican "intellectuals" who sole contribution is offering bold new definitions to old words to try and suck up some loyalty. I'm sure you've seen the articles, they are legion, by guys like David Frum and David ap Hugh and too many others.   Race politics is really conservative.  Supporting legal abortion is really conservative.  Amnesty for illegal aliens is really conservative.  Limiting, not opposing, government takeover of healthcare is the true conservative position.  They're "modern conservatives" they're "progressive conservatives".  As some yokel put it, "I don't want to see conservatism stuck on being a kneejerk anti-liberal philosophy".  Be moderate liberal.  Be Marxist, if you like.  But you're not conservative.

And boy do they hate "socons". HATE us.  'Stupid social conservatives are an anchor on the neck of the party!  Bout time they understood their role.  They've got nowhere else to go anyhow, so it's time for them to be "mature" and vote the lesser evil that will slow the decline, rather that dream pipe dreams of imposing their religion on everybody. Abortion is legal, and that's that.  The Court is going to legalize gay marriage, and that's that.  Demanding a vote on those things is bigotry, and its controversial, and it will cost the Party the new recruits down the middle that are its future.'

And so here is the Grand Old Party, out of power, spinning its lies, with a dream of total political power WITHOUT somehow owing anybody any committment to a policy agenda.  Standing for everything to everybody.  Looking, remarkably, exactly like Clinton's DLC 1992:  Abortion is regrettable but necessary; spending is useful; the military has to shrink; racial Balkanization is a wonderful proof of diversity; our foriegn policy has to be more cooperative and less assertive; taxes have to go up; business has to be more socially responsible.   Websites like HotAir.com now declare that the big mistake the GOP made was not getting behind teh notion of federal control of health care, and we have to preserve it as an option.  I am banned at HotAir.com, because they censor the word "revolt" when discussing Americna politics.  They celebrate organized resistance to tyranny all over the world, but not in the USA, because process matters more than the "Jeffersonian fantasy" of guaranteed rights or else.  If you think the Constitution is being trampled, vote Republican.  Though they promise nothing about repeal.

And at the end of the day, they are so clever, so diabolically Machiavellian, they have lost the Closer.  The Closer is the guy in the bar who sees a Republican ad on TV, and applauds.  It's the guy who bangs on doors for free to sell a Republican candidate.  It's the gal who can't hang out with her sisters because they are Democrat and she won't let them forget it.  The Closer is the average American who will sell the Republican Party to other average Americans, simply because he thought it good and a force for making America better.  The modern Republican Party hates that selfrighteous son of a bitch, and says so.  Newsweek did a poll recommending they spit on him.

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Re: Chris Balsz, you think Republicans a lost hope?

not that I care.

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Re: Chris Balsz, you think Republicans a lost hope?

What Mr. Balsz said is accurate. If you disagree with him, you are wrong.

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Re: Chris Balsz, you think Republicans a lost hope?

That's sad those forums are like that. Usually I find those a libs, Euro's, or such trying to tell me how I should think, like WFS here.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Re: Chris Balsz, you think Republicans a lost hope?

Michael Steele speaks truth to power
I'm not really sure what to make of this video that has just surfaced of Michael Steele at a fundraiser in Connecticut talking about the Afghanistan war.

It's unequivocal: Steele says that the war was one of Obama's choosing, that we shouldn't be there, and -- crucially -- that history teaches us it's probably a lost cause. That puts him at odds with the entire GOP and many Dems. It's the must-watch video of the morning:



Steele starts off with a standard GOP talking point: That Stanley McChrystal's barbed comments about members of the administration show "frustration" on the part of military leaders towards Obama. But then he seems to veer off in an odd direction:

"Keep in mind again, federal candidates, this was a war of Obama's choosing. This is not something the United States had actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in."...

"It was the president who was trying to be cute by half by flipping a script demonizing Iraq, while saying the battle really should be in Afghanistan. Well, if he's such a student of history, has he not understood that you know that's the one thing you don't do, is engage in a land war in Afghanistan? All right, because everyone who has tried, over a thousand years of history, has failed. And there are reasons for that. There are other ways to engage in Afghanistan."


Let me have a stab at guessing what happened here. I say Steele initially meant to say that the Afghan war wasn't a war of our choosing because we were attacked on September 11th, forcing us to invade. But that came out all wrong because he garbled it by mixing it with an attack on Obama.

Next, Steele tried to attack Obama by pointing out that during the campaign he insulated himself against charges that he's a dove by calling for a ramp up in Afghanistan. Fair enough. But then he compounded the mess by slipping into a kind of auto-pilot mode where he just started criticizing the Afghan war as a disaster and unwinnable because it's now Obama's war. Result: Steele said that Obama chose this war, that we shouldn't be there, and we now can't win.

Anyone got a better explanation?

UPDATE, 10:44 a.m.: RNC spokesman Doug Heye clarifies:

The Chairman clearly supports our troops but believes that success of the war effort in Afghanistan requires the ongoing support of the American people.

The responsibility for building and maintaining that strategy falls squarely on the shoulders of the President. Like so many Americans, Chairman Steele wants to hear an explanation from President Obama on what his strategy is for winning the war in Afghanistan. The Petraeus hearings were an opportunity - a missed opportunity - to do that. Instead, all we hear from the President is criticism of his predecessor for doing exactly the same thing.

At the same time, Congress must stop playing politics with the war and provide the funding our troops need to win and come home.

Michael Steele clarifies again: Yes, we must win
In a mark of just how serious a threat Michael Steele's Afghanistan comments pose to his tenure as RNC chair, he has just released a statement in his own words trying to clean up the mess -- the second of the day, after an earlier one from a spokesman. Steele:

"As we enter the Fourth of July weekend, I proudly remember standing with Maryland National Guardsmen on their way to the Middle East and later stood with the mothers of soldiers lost at war. There is no question that America must win the war on terror.

"During the 2008 Presidential campaign, Barack Obama made clear his belief that we should not fight in Iraq, but instead concentrate on Afghanistan. Now, as President, he has indeed shifted his focus to this region. That means this is his strategy. And, for the sake of the security of the free world, our country must give our troops the support necessary to win this war.

"As we have learned throughout history, winning a war in Afghanistan is a difficult task. We must also remember that after the tragedy of September 11, 2001, it is also a necessary one. That is why I supported the decision to increase our troop force and, like the entire United States Senate, I support General Petraeus' confirmation. The stakes are too high for us to accept anything but success in Afghanistan."

This appears designed to address the two most controversial aspects of Steele's earlier assertions: His suggestion that we shouldn't be in Afghanistan, and his claim that history shows we're all but certain to lose.

To the first, he says: "There is no question that America must win the war on terror," adding that we must win in Afghanistan "for the sake of the security of the free world."

To the second, he says: The war is indeed "difficult" but "necessary."

It seems unlikely that this will quiet calls among conservatives for his resignation, though. His earlier statement is on video. He dramatically undercut the entire case for an open-ended presence in Afghanistan, just when conservatives are working hard to push the administration towards dropping talk of a drawdown timetable.

And the magnitude of this political screw-up (at least in the context of GOP politics) is so large that it's the final straw after a long string of more forgiveable gaffes -- incontrovertible proof (to Republicans and conservatives) that he doesn't belong in the job.

As one Republican emailed me when I asked for a reaction to the whole mess: "What can you say?"


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