Re: Bring back the 90s!!
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> lmperial wrote:
> > CurbStomp3r wrote:
> I don't really miss anything from the 90s []t! (Patriot Acts aside)
Well, your not a very intelligent person, thus that is expected.
Seriously though, why hasn't a mod changed your racist name yet? Whats the matter DarkMason wasn't good enough for you after you deleted ?
You sir, are -still- a vagina cake.
How is my name racist? You are a moron if you think it has anything to do with race.
@Chris what I meant was I miss the days when the patriot acts weren't in effect ![]()
> CurbStomp3r wrote:
> > lmperial wrote:
> > CurbStomp3r wrote:
> I don't really miss anything from the 90s []t! (Patriot Acts aside)
Well, your not a very intelligent person, thus that is expected.
Seriously though, why hasn't a mod changed your racist name yet? Whats the matter DarkMason wasn't good enough for you after you deleted ?
You sir, are -still- a vagina cake.
How is my name racist? You are a moron if you think it has anything to do with race.
@Chris what I meant was I miss the days when the patriot acts weren't in effect ![]()
I love people who are ignorant, and uneducated Your name is : CurbStomp3r - "Curbstomber"
Let me link you a few a definitions to your oh-so-creatively racist name.
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The act of placing a victim, face down, mouth open on the curb of a sidewalk.
The offender then proceeds to 'stomp' on the back of victims head. The act is probably fictional. Sterotypical act of "White Power" groups.
This act portrayed in 1998 Film "American History X".
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An act of brutality and suffering widely used by the Nazi forces of Germany. Commonly used in persecuting Jewish prisoners, the Nazis would lay a Jew or another prisoner of war down infront of a curb, usually infront of a crowd (who were withholding information) and instruct them to bite down on the curb at gunpoint. The Gestapo was known to instruct infantry to then do the 'stomping' as Gestapo soliders had light boots, and the infantry had the heavier boots.
See in Schindler's List, directed by Steven Spielberg, (1993).
Link : http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Curb+Stomp
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The most well-known curb stomp is from the move American History X --- Worth noting one of the best movies of the 90s ![]()
"A curb-stomp is portrayed in the film American History X, performed by a white power skinhead played by Edward Norton."
Link : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curb-stomp
Curb stomping has always been recognized as a hate assault, it shows that the victim is inferior as they must voluntarily bite down on the curb, (Although typically some sort of external influence is present, I.E. at gun point), while the self-proclaimed superior inflicts the kick to the head.
In pop culture it's commonly considered a racist act, and remark -- Don't believe me tough guy, go up to an African American, and just say "Curb Stomp" --- See what happens, since according to you it's not racist, you have nothing to worry about.
Ignorance, it's not just a bad idea -- it gets people killed.
But then again, i am talking to you DarkMason, the puss sandwich who deleted in the first week of the round, please - Just leave IC no one here likes or respects you, and your aggressively hateful name only adds to that.
racism isnt inherently wrong. we encounter many inferior races throughout the earth. the wrong part of it is when you take observations of a few, and apply it to similar situations. for example taking a few uses of the term: curb stomper, and applying those uses whenever someone uses the term, curb stomper.....
Imperial, you're a racist...
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I'm being sarcastic. The first thing you have to understand about Tookie Williams is that this is what he looked like. Knowing that this man used to hang out at parks and beat down people for fun, that he used to force people to oil his body, gives you some idea what Tookie was all about. The Tookie I knew hung out at Centinela Park in Inglewood with another huge dude named 'Mouse' doing pullups and otherwise being as badass as humanly possible. Basically, he did whatever he wanted to, and in the end what he wanted to do was be the most intimidating and dangerous man anywhere. He got his wish of course. Who was going to stop him?
I got other Tookie and Mouse stories second-hand from a kid named Timmy Green who was a bodybuilding roughneck too. Back in highschool, Tim Green was about five feet tall and 2 feet thick. He was a devastating football player, a little walking muscle. We all suspected that Timmy was a Crip, but nobody said it straight out, after all ours was an exclusive Jesuit prep school. I heard that Tim is dead, shot by another Crip somewhere. We kinda knew that he had a deathwish. Tim owned a red Honda motorcycle, a CB400 with the swivelly pipes. I rode with him once, and I immediately experienced a kind of terror I've never known before. Tim was absolutely fearless riding on the wrong side of the double yellow line of Crenshaw Blvd at 70 miles per hour. But if you talked about Tookie, Tim showed fear. Admiration to be sure. Tookie went everywhere in LA to prove that he was the was the baddest, and nobody lived to win a challenge, but fear too. Tookie was the man that thugs feared. There could only be one reason for that. He was more than buff, he was deadly.
You could not grow up in the 'hood in Los Angeles during the 70s and not know about Tookie or the Crips. It's probably hard to understand if you didn't grow up in a roughneck neighborhood. But street smarts are just that. You are forced to rely on the human instinct for survival, you navigate the degrees of danger and you grow senses that middleclass live has no use for. Tookie today looks like somebody's grandfather but don't be fooled. Back in the day, there were all kinds of gangs, some no more troublesome than the Jets or the Sharks. Truth be told, Tookie got busted right around the time gangs were going off the chain, and his Crips were the reason. The short version of the story is this, Crips were dangerous and they "Don't die, they multiply". There came a time when they became so pervasive and dangerous that anyone not in a gang was vulnerable - and then beyond that to the point at which gangs that didn't bang hard had to get hard. The Crips in the late 70s were basically escalating street rivalries into open warfare. From fists to knives to guns. The Crips created the Bloods because the Brims and the Pirus had to bang together or hang separately. When I was a kid, there used to be a saying: 'Crips are cool, but Piru rule'. By 1980, nothing was cool.
Me personally, I've battled Crips hand to hand. I've dealt with all kinds of knuckleheads, roughnecks and thugs. But everybody knows their limits. I know I am not to be a warrior and I didn't have to go to jail to learn any of that. I didn't have to wait until somebody wrote a rap song about 'dead homies' to know what that was all about. I grew up in the black neighborhood when basically few people had a choice on where they could get real estate. I know what it's like to walk through the Jungle at night, and I know if the man cursing on the bus is actually going to swing at you. But I only know what it's like to live around people who were basically about 1/3 as dangerous as Tookie Williams.
The scariest part of my neighborhood was West Blvd over near Adams. I could go into it, but it was over there wher I learned the meaning of getting 'curbed'. Now if you're dainty, skip to the next paragraph and agree me because I'm about to describe it. Everybody knows about being 'jumped in' and 'jumped out' of a gang. Basically about 7 of them beat you down until you can't stand up. That's child's play. You basically get curbed if you rat to the cops. What does that mean I asked? Well, you lay down in the street perpendicular to the and facing curb. You open your mouth and bite the concrete corner of the curb and somebody comes up behind you and kicks you in the back of the head. People who did this were afraid of Tookie.
I cannot wait until the founder of the Crips dies at the hands of the California justice system. This convict has actually convinced people that if you write some children's books, that you can redeem yourself for a quadruple murder conviction. That doesn't say much for the state of conviction these days. So long as he fries, I can handle it.
It's not surprising that the Coalition of the Damned is up in arms about this clemency drama, and quite frankly I'm not surprised that Jamie Foxx and others have a screw loose in this matter. Clearly, they don't know what Crips are all about. I discussed this sorry SOB here and over at africanamerican.org a month or so ago, and it's amazing the amount of BS excuses go into trying to make the case for clemency. Take this one for example:
Never mind the fact that Blacks make up the majority of the prison population because White cops are 6 times more likely to arrest a Black or Latino than a White offender. And never mind the fact that the police purposely go looking for Black criminal offenders while ignoring White criminal offenders.
Never mind the fact that the police don't do stings on White gangs because they know if it got on the news, it would tarnish the false image that "White people don't do crime". Never mind all of that, that is not important.
What is important is that Blacks are criminal animals, and that's all there is to it.
Nevermind? How about nevermind the Crips. So let's inteject a little sanity. And I'm going to break a rule here and bring back a whole lot more from a site than I usually do because I want people to get a handle on what gang violence is like in LA County. As you read this try to remember that this is just about one particularly notorius set out of hundreds of streetgangs.
Rollin' 60s N-Hood Crip Seattle Mariners
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Sub Sets: All 60s are NHCs, but there are the Avenues and the Overhills that are west of West Blvd. Allie(s): Their allies include Neighborhood Crip sets such as 67 NHC, 55 NHC, and 46 NHC.
Brief History:Their main rival would be the Eight Tray Gangster Crips to the east. This would be the most intense rivalry between any two gangs in all of Los Angeles County. This rivalry goes back to 1979 and was the beginning to Crip infighting. This rivalry is discussed in Monster Kody's book Autobiography of an LA Gang Member and Donald Bakeer's book, Crips. It would be great to see a truce between these 2 sets, because so many other rivalries would come up under it and many lives would possibly be saved. Thus far nearly 400 members of both sets have died in the last 20 years and that does not include the bystanders caught in the cross fire. Also keep in mind that many of the decedents expired as a result of non-gang related circumstances such as car accident, suicide, natural causes and conflicts outside gang membership.
Comments:The Rollin 60s made news headlines when Tiequan Andrew Cox (b. 1966), who had purchased fake cocaine, sought revenge against the dealer when he mistaken a neighbor's house as the drug dealers. He was convicted in 1986 for committing a quadruple murder that occurred in 1984. The victims were the wrong targets and were related to former NFL Rams wide receiver Kermit Alexander. Cox, while on death row stabbed Stanley "Tookie" Williams in 1988. This act is depicted in the 2004 film Redemption starring Jamie Foxx but many suggested that the incident didn't play out as it did on the silver screen.
In 2003 City Attorney filed a gang injunction against the Rollin 60s Crips and they had specified 31 men that were members of the 60s, but some have suggested that the 60s were being unfairly targeted and some mentioned that the injunction included individuals that had not had police contact in several years. Below are some published articles about the injunctions.
Their main Blood rival would be the Van Ness Gangsters (VNG) to the north. Since the 60s attend Crenshaw High School, north of Slauson, they often clash with the VNGs and becasue the VNGs are a smaller gang with less membership, the Rollin 60s have been able to dominate the school population even though the high school is outside their turf.
The Rollin 60s also started a conflict with the School Yard Crips during the 1980s. This is an unusual conflict because gangs often rival with neighboring or adjacent gangs. But the Rollin 60s would show their dominance by hanging out at the World-on-Wheels skating ring on Venice in the neighborhood of the School Yard Crips uncontested many times. Although there were several shootings committed by the School Yard Crips, the Rollin 60s, for the most part maintained their dominance for several years there.
Other rivals would include all Hoovers, especially the 83 Hoover and 74 Hoover and all Gangster Crips that are hooked up with the ETGs, such as the 53 Avalon Gangster Crips and 43 Gangster Crips. The 60s and all the "Owes" were allied during the 1980s but that is not the case today.
Tookie deserves to die. Plain and simple. If he's such a saint, let's hurry him on his way to his everlasting reward.
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Malkin has comments from victims families.
Afro-Netizen passes no judgement, but has plenty of comments including one from someone whose relative was shot by Crips.
Bomani Jones gets all squeamish about probabilities.
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> Pinky and the Brain!
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> avogadro wrote:
> racism isnt inherently wrong. we encounter many inferior races throughout the earth. the wrong part of it is when you take observations of a few, and apply it to similar situations. for example taking a few uses of the term: curb stomper, and applying those uses whenever someone uses the term, curb stomper.....
Imperial, you're a racist...
Incorrect on many levels.
"observations of a few" Unquantifiable, and thus invalid, moot, and holding absolutely no bearing on anything, period.
"for example taking a few uses of the term: curb stomper" - It's intention vrs precognition - If the intent of the 2 words Curb, and stomper is to identify one's self with the hate assault of curb stomping, or some sort of non-existent dance move? (Everyone body do the curb stomp, YAH!) -- That holds no predicate towards recognition -
Example :
If i call you a fag avo, i'm just insulting you as i think your reply was lame, and warranted such, but if you recognize it as the use of a hate remark for a homosexual - then it doesn't matter my intent, as the recognition surpassed it.
Definition is in perception by recognition, there is no more true then in slang, and PC Terms - thus by default, you must consider the perception of the terms you use -- if you FAIL to consider how what you say maybe perceived then you did not care how it would be perceived or are ignorant of it's possible perception, resulting in 1 of 2 things - 1. Your Racist, or 2. Your ignorant.
"racism isnt inherently wrong. we encounter many inferior races throughout the earth"
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life.
1. You are obviously not a student of philosophy - Because clearly you can not quantify or standardize the requirement for intra-humanity scaling - Superiority/Inferiority with out absolute quantification is relative to social/culture perception, and NOT under any circumstances a valid back-source for such claims of superiority or inferiority.
To further piggy back off the above statement
Consider the movie Avatar (Or the European-Native American relations) Both the Human's and the Na'vi consider each other inferior, and primitive -- Humanity was out of touch with nature, and their natural spirituality, and affinity for equilibrium within nature, while the Na'vi lacked technology -- But which was inferior? Neither, as it's relative.
Your kind of thinking is what will doom humanity to ruin, there is under no pretense or circumstances a time that racism will be "Ok" -- As to implement the notion of it will be to limit potential of race progression, enlightenment, and cause overall distension within a close-minded and ignorant society.
As the concept of racism, has been relativity considered on whole the product of ignorance, the end result is the same
"It's intention vrs precognition - If the intent of the 2 words Curb, and stomper is to identify one's self with the hate assault of curb stomping, or some sort of non-existent dance move? (Everyone body do the curb stomp, YAH!) -- That holds no predicate towards recognition"
lets follow the example of curb stomp. you called it racist, did you not? you are basing the racist card on precognition. the view of curb stomping largely comes from american history x; as you pointed out, and in that movie, i think its pretty clear that it was painted as quite horrific, was it not? so wouldnt most normal people that are familar with the term think back to a scene that strongly discourages nazism? he has done nothing to suggest that his intention is in support of curb stomping, and with the lack of support for it, it clearly acts of a reminder of evils of racism and not an endorsement of it. i also was not saying precognition is bad. but that racism is precognition.
"1. You are obviously not a student of philosophy - Because clearly you can not quantify or standardize the requirement for intra-humanity scaling - Superiority/Inferiority with out absolute quantification is relative to social/culture perception, and NOT under any circumstances a valid back-source for such claims of superiority or inferiority.
To further piggy back off the above statement
Consider the movie Avatar (Or the European-Native American relations) Both the Human's and the Na'vi consider each other inferior, and primitive -- Humanity was out of touch with nature, and their natural spirituality, and affinity for equilibrium within nature, while the Na'vi lacked technology -- But which was inferior? Neither, as it's relative.
Your kind of thinking is what will doom humanity to ruin, there is under no pretense or circumstances a time that racism will be "Ok" -- As to implement the notion of it will be to limit potential of race progression, enlightenment, and cause overall distension within a close-minded and ignorant society."
its not about superiority or inferiority, inferiority was merely an example. recognizing the differences between different races is not morally wrong and is not fundamentally wrong. even if you want to hold on to inferiority, if certain races have a tendency to certain diseases, i think that would universally be considered an inferior trait, but recognizing this race's tendency to the inferior trait can save many lives by being better prepared to treat them of that disease.
No matter how much I despise many things the 90's represent, there's one thing that was definitely a plus side.
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> avogadro wrote:
> "It's intention vrs precognition - If the intent of the 2 words Curb, and stomper is to identify one's self with the hate assault of curb stomping, or some sort of non-existent dance move? (Everyone body do the curb stomp, YAH!) -- That holds no predicate towards recognition"
lets follow the example of curb stomp. you called it racist, did you not? you are basing the racist card on precognition. the view of curb stomping largely comes from american history x; as you pointed out, and in that movie, i think its pretty clear that it was painted as quite horrific, was it not? so wouldnt most normal people that are familar with the term think back to a scene that strongly discourages nazism? he has done nothing to suggest that his intention is in support of curb stomping, and with the lack of support for it, it clearly acts of a reminder of evils of racism and not an endorsement of it. i also was not saying precognition is bad. but that racism is precognition.
"1. You are obviously not a student of philosophy - Because clearly you can not quantify or standardize the requirement for intra-humanity scaling - Superiority/Inferiority with out absolute quantification is relative to social/culture perception, and NOT under any circumstances a valid back-source for such claims of superiority or inferiority.
To further piggy back off the above statement
Consider the movie Avatar (Or the European-Native American relations) Both the Human's and the Na'vi consider each other inferior, and primitive -- Humanity was out of touch with nature, and their natural spirituality, and affinity for equilibrium within nature, while the Na'vi lacked technology -- But which was inferior? Neither, as it's relative.
Your kind of thinking is what will doom humanity to ruin, there is under no pretense or circumstances a time that racism will be "Ok" -- As to implement the notion of it will be to limit potential of race progression, enlightenment, and cause overall distension within a close-minded and ignorant society."
its not about superiority or inferiority, inferiority was merely an example. recognizing the differences between different races is not morally wrong and is not fundamentally wrong. even if you want to hold on to inferiority, if certain races have a tendency to certain diseases, i think that would universally be considered an inferior trait, but recognizing this race's tendency to the inferior trait can save many lives by being better prepared to treat them of that disease.
Ok where to begin
Lets start with
"you are basing the racist card on precognition"
-- Eh? Negative - Precognition refers to knowledge -not yet obtained-
If the debate in question is -IF- curb stomping is consider a racially inspire hate crime, then - negative, that knowledge was obtained from past, and present sources- not lack of -- So the usage of Precognition is void, if your referring to the fact that i do not -have objective proof- that DM intended his name to be racist - Then that irrelevant in whole - If i call you a Jew, and don't stand -why- i called you a Jew, as per popular -past- understanding -of normal interpretations- you *Should (I say should as it's not an absolute case by case), take in an offensive meaning, now i could mean Jew in a good way, as you got the money of a jew, the work ethics of a Jew, ect -- But if i FAIL TO SPECIFIC INTENTION AND LEAVE IT TO PERCEPTIONAL INTERPRETATION I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT EFFECT IT WILL HAVE ON THOSE WHO WITNESS IT.
To SAY anything otherwise is you condoning the insane notion that we are not responsible for what we say, but responsible for what we hear from others, and how we interpreted it -
And you Sir, will never find any respected PhD in Sociology that would agree with, responsibility of communications is always in the transmission, not in the reception - as you can never -assume- the receiving parties education/intellectual/ethic/morale/religious/ect standards or levels/degrees of understanding.
That is the root of mis-communication.
And if - DM's name of CurbStomper is a mis-communication, the fault lies within him for choosing a name that can be ambiguously interpreted as something so extremely hateful.
Furthermore, i've never met a person in my life that took the A.H.X Scene to be an Anti-Nazi projection - The movie's grand message was that hate breeds more hate, and violence breeds more violence, thus the inescapable cycle of racial hate only leads to loss on both sides, and it's all a product of ignorance, and that with proper education, and social exposure we can over-come racially inspired hate.
Now - Avo, i truely do enjoy a good Philosophical debate (As a matter of fact i wish they would make a Philosophical/Theological Sub-Forum), but i'd like to try and keep this topic on - Subject -
EXAMPLE :
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The Original Power Rangers anyone? No? Just me? ![]()
There were several shows that rose with Power Rangers with the base line of teen martial artist fighting aliens, or even one where they fought computer viruses...
Can anyone list all those live-action shows that did hat?
I can't remember the names of any of them!
What about teen dramas from the 90s?
the original 91210
Melrose Place
Dawsons Creek
What else?
Also nightly sitcoms
Friends, (I hated Sienfield)
What else?
@Chris_Balsz - Thanks dude, that was a really interesting read.
oh and to keep with the theme,
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Pinky and the Brain. ![]()
"-- Eh? Negative - Precognition refers to knowledge -not yet obtained- "
so once you know one black person, you know them all? no. in the bad types of racism you are using certain information to make assumptions of a mass of people you know nothing about, which is precognition because you have not yet obtained knowledge on the people you are racist against.
"If the debate in question is -IF- curb stomping is consider a racially inspire hate crime, then - negative, that knowledge was obtained from past, and present sources- not lack of -- So the usage of Precognition is void, if your referring to the fact that i do not -have objective proof- that DM intended his name to be racist - Then that irrelevant in whole - If i call you a Jew, and don't stand -why- i called you a Jew, as per popular -past- understanding -of normal interpretations- you *Should (I say should as it's not an absolute case by case), take in an offensive meaning, now i could mean Jew in a good way, as you got the money of a jew, the work ethics of a Jew, ect -- But if i FAIL TO SPECIFIC INTENTION AND LEAVE IT TO PERCEPTIONAL INTERPRETATION I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT EFFECT IT WILL HAVE ON THOSE WHO WITNESS IT.
To SAY anything otherwise is you condoning the insane notion that we are not responsible for what we say, but responsible for what we hear from others, and how we interpreted it -
And you Sir, will never find any respected PhD in Sociology that would agree with, responsibility of communications is always in the transmission, not in the reception - as you can never -assume- the receiving parties education/intellectual/ethic/morale/religious/ect standards or levels/degrees of understanding.
That is the root of mis-communication.
And if - DM's name of CurbStomper is a mis-communication, the fault lies within him for choosing a name that can be ambiguously interpreted as something so extremely hateful.
Furthermore, i've never met a person in my life that took the A.H.X Scene to be an Anti-Nazi projection - The movie's grand message was that hate breeds more hate, and violence breeds more violence, thus the inescapable cycle of racial hate only leads to loss on both sides, and it's all a product of ignorance, and that with proper education, and social exposure we can over-come racially inspired hate."
so you think that overcoming racially inspired hate isnt contrary to nazi philosophy? i think it is. so, i would think someone referencing a movie about overcoming racially inspired hate and saying nothing else about it, is serving of nothing else but a reminder to the movie and its message. the responsability of communications clearly lie on both. you cant blame the author of a book for some crazed nut that burns down a house after reading it.
Thundercats!
I miss TGIF, Friday night shows on ABC i think. Steve Urkel anyone? ![]()
I miss having a surplus instead of debt for the nation. Gas was $0.99 a gallon and i still had to borrow a $1 from one of my friends when i put $2 in my parents car ![]()
Anyone remember Exo Squad? Was on at like 7am or something. I remember loving it
my pal Marc has a Thundercats series DVD and we put it on as a joke. I was suprised how good it was. So much better than today's cartoons and it moved a lot faster than scifi soaps like BSG. Thundercats, ho!
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so you think that overcoming racially inspired hate isnt contrary to nazi philosophy? i think it is. so, i would think someone referencing a movie about overcoming racially inspired hate and saying nothing else about it, is serving of nothing else but a reminder to the movie and its message. the responsability of communications clearly lie on both. you cant blame the author of a book for some crazed nut that burns down a house after reading it.
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Social Ambiguity and Psychosis are far from the same thing.
Family Matters was a good show, not a show that i miss or was crazy about, and i absolutely hated Roseanne - But Roseanne is considered the most popular show of all time --- That 90's had allot of blue collar stay at home mom's who watched it, but it was a horrid show, it did however produce a good actor for the Big Bang Theory.
Remember the show Dinosaurs? I loved that show "IM DA BABY!" lol ![]()
Roseanne???
it went over the deep end
I was joking with my brother about it. "Mom? I'm black."
Was "Alf" 80's or 90's? I used to watch that show alot when I was a kid, but I'm not sure if they were reruns.
chris elliott and his dad had a show called "Get a Life" which I really liked, so that was the kiss of death
he finds a disgusting alien that emits all sorts of bodily fluids, but he pretends its ET
even Michael Jackson thinks its too disgusting to buy
he takes it home and his roommate gets grossed out, butchers it and serves chunks of it roasted
they find it delicious
later that night they each come down at midnight to find out how the leftover taste cold, but it regenerated in the fridge and flies back home, vomiting on them from his spaceship
think Alf was 80s-90s
Will Smith and his family on East L.A.
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