Topic: REAL Conservatives

Forget the bible preachers, Social Conservatives, Palin fans, and so on. They are cute, but not REAL conservatives in the American tradition.

Real Conservatives believe that the best system for man, the kind that provides him with the best opportunities to live in abundance and happiness, is one where power and wealth are broadly distributed. Yes, wealth is broadly distributed. I don't mean that naive Liberal idea of taking away from the rich and giving it to the poor through the government. All that these distribution schemes effectively accomplish is concentrate power in the hands of a few by eliminating the competition to those few. It is tyranny in the guise of serving the greater good. Paris Hilton did not worry about estate taxes, but small time millionaires were slammed by it. The potential to invest that money to compete with her ilk was limited and wasted on government spending. The government is not morally superior, and nor is it responsible to the people. Our politicians are actually responsible to those who can invest in their self-serving projects. Like any human, their intentions are only to better themselves. Conservatives do not see this as evil, but as a reason for why power must be limited and checked. The best way to accomplish this is with a Republic under a competitive market where powers are divided and balanced so that wealth and therefore power and influence never concentrate in the hands of a few. The Robber Barons and large corporations today did not establish their monopolies thanks to their skill, but rather they owe or owed their position entirely to the government.

That is a Conservative. Not someone who praises a wrathful God, Palin and denies Science.

Re: REAL Conservatives

Noise like that is why I describe myself as a falangist.  Nobody in America knows wtf that means except they won't agree with me.   Then they actually listen to how I describe my beliefs instead of tuning out because i used the "wrong" label.

For 200 years Americans had the guts to say "gee everybody else sucks, I'm gonna call myself something new and better. Like "Democrat" or "republican' or "socialist" or "bull moose" or "progressive" or "Liberal" or "conservative".   It is a mark of our national decline that we can argue that the REAL definition of a label is something new and contrary to what it's been for 30 years, and then attack the 'fake" users.  It's pathetic.  It's an admission that you lack the balls of Buckley and Reagan and Limbaugh, men who were spat on while struggling for years to sustain a NEW term, "conservative".  You want to coast on their efforts, and share in the glory they carved for "conservative" while undermining the policy agenda that is what Conservatism is all about.

there is nothing Conservative about moderating or tracking or ameliorating the concentration of wealth.  As a political phenomenon, that is ENTIRELY of the Left.  It began with the Left, grew with the Left, and to embrace it, even in moderation, is to accept the communitarian principles of Leftism over the individualism of the Right.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: REAL Conservatives

So says Justinian the no family values man who openly disrespects religious faith, and who has a world view based on power.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Re: REAL Conservatives

I am a Fartist because I refuse to submit or go quietly. I won't conform out of politeness.  And like a fart I shake people up out of their lethargy. You'll know when the Fartist agenda is at work.  We move crowds and focus people on  what's really important instead of the distractions of the media.  The Fartist movement is here, we're staying, get used to it!

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

5 (edited by Justinian I 16-Jun-2010 01:15:33)

Re: REAL Conservatives

Chris,

If you read what I wrote, you will notice that what I said amounted to:

Free market economy
Distribution of political power

That is Conservatism. It is Individualism and Freedom. What the likes of other Conservatives want, like Flint, is a powerful government that is able to enforce religious values on how people live their lives.

Re: REAL Conservatives

explain why "fraud" is not based on religious values

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: REAL Conservatives

People do not want to be defrauded, just as they not want to be murdered, raped, or robbed.

Re: REAL Conservatives

I think they do, at first. That is why they agree to pay out.  They liked what they heard.

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: REAL Conservatives

TBH in my opinion a real conservative means that you believe people have specific rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, be it money that makes em happy or something else. A true conservative is a person who says the government is there for one reason and that is to hear grievences of the the states vs other states and be an impartial mediator between them. NOTHING ELSE. The government should be tiny and the wallet of each individual person should be as large as they work their ass off to make it. Anything less IMO is a Liberal/Leftist view and should be called such.


As a conservative independent, I don't think the federal government should be allowed to care about ANYTHING except being a impartial moderator of the states. (IE if alaska has a problem with Iowa. they should be there to help them work it out thats all.) Anything you wanna personally do? Keep it in your own home and I don't care, and don't ask for my money to do it either. My money is mine.

10 (edited by esa 16-Jun-2010 11:56:56)

Re: REAL Conservatives

What you describe is classical liberalism.
Conservatives belief in birthright and jesus.

American conservatism = classical liberalism+(god+family+flagwaving)

The inmates are running the asylum

Re: REAL Conservatives

Labels are foolish, labels trap you within pre-defined parameters, and expectations.

I don't label myself to be anything idealistically, although, by that very notion most would call be a Centralist -- I am however me, independent opinions on independent issues, anyone who doesn't have the same approach is close minded.

Carry on.

United States Marine Corps
-Providing the enemy with the opportunity to die for their country since 1775-

Re: REAL Conservatives

Classic Conservatism is not "GOD+FAMILY+FLAGWAVING". That's classic rhetoric from liberals. A true conservative doesn't care what you do in your own home as long as it is out of public view and "consumption". But in my case the Conservative part is more leaning towards Financial rather than anything else.

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"I am a Fartist because I refuse to submit or go quietly."
ROFLMA@ chris
I am one of your folowers from now one, O great GodFarter.

Re: REAL Conservatives

+1 Ia

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but i am Jesus"
"Nothing is worse than a fully prepared fool"

Re: REAL Conservatives

Agreed with Imperial.  This very debate proves the idiocy of labels.

"I'm X!  Only what I think is true X!  Here's my subjective measuring stick to define it!  Oh, and even if I win this debate, it doesn't prove that my arguments are neither valid nor invalid.  It only means that I get to call myself X, and you have to find a different name for yourself."

Make Eyes Great Again!

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Re: REAL Conservatives

No zarf, I'm a true fartist. You simply don't understand!

Re: REAL Conservatives

Your label works now because there's only about 2 or 3 people with said label.  tongue

Make Eyes Great Again!

The Great Eye is watching you... when there's nothing good on TV...

Re: REAL Conservatives

Take into consideration we come from only one person and doubled our membership in less then 3 days!

Re: REAL Conservatives

Fartists unite!

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)