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Frankly, since coming in office, Obama has accomplished more than any president in history: he was instrumental in fixing the stock market and helping th eglobal economy recover by rallying the heads-of-state to back the bail-out plan; it was his sheer determination which got medicare passed; signed a nuclear arms reduction treaty with Russia, and won a Nobel Peace Prize, all in like, what 6 months?
Obama is pwns.
Meanwhile, on planet earth...
Dude stop with the lsd. Europe is tanking, the us is tanking, terrorists atte traveling to Mexico to get inside the United States, terrorism from home grown is on the rise, unemployment is sky high, Iran and Israel will have a nuclear war, and my put smoking roommates want the civil war to start now while their child is young enough to not have suffered for it.
Nobel Peace prize is a joke. Only stoners have regard for it. Obama was nominated 2 weeks into his presidency. Then there was Al gore, and even a couple terrorists?
True that.
"Europe is tanking, the us is tanking"
Not his fault
"terrorists atte traveling to Mexico to get inside the United States"
He didn't start a pointless war on terror, he's trying to end it. Besides, they better travelled to Canada, with that heavy guarded border. 
"terrorism from home grown is on the rise"
I haven't heard anything about that in our news. Could you fill me in?
"unemployment is sky high"
Not his fault.
"Iran and Israel will have a nuclear war"
We're nowhere near there yet. So, excuse me for not wanting to blame that on Obama yet.
"and my put smoking roommates want the civil war to start now while their child is young enough to not have suffered for it."
Your roommates seem to be idiots. Get others, and that's another problem solved.
Pointless war on terror?
Go surrender yourself then, cause I ain't gonna let them kill meor mine without a fight
> Einstein wrote:
> Pointless war on terror?
Go surrender yourself then, cause I ain't gonna let them kill meor mine without a fight
yes the war fought on terror as started by g.w. bush is pointless.
what progress have you made
you killed saddam
terrorists in iraq still at large
still a huge drain on america's funds
still americans dying( soldiers mainly)
fear of terrorist is greater then ever --> as a result and the dumbing down of the war on terror campaign: fear of muslims in the rise --> delivers more radical muslims as they are being portrayed as the bad guys anyway( self fulfilling prophecy anyone?)
extra security measures at airport: frustrate americans too
extra security: hard to get in america--> america even more alienated from the rest of the world.
preventing/stopping terrorism is a good thing don't get the poster or me wrong.
but the way it was conducted by the previous president is a huge fail. no matter how you look at it.
and now obama is trying to get out of that sh*t created by bush. and this includes undoing part of the hate against muslims bush has put in the population. and as long as that dammage hasn't been undone there's no way in hell you ever gonna win the war on terrorism.
> xeno syndicated wrote:
> he was instrumental in fixing the stock market and helping th eglobal economy recover by rallying the heads-of-state to back the bail-out plan;
*cough*Greece!*cough*
> it was his sheer determination which got medicare passed;
It hasn't taken effect yet. So you can't tell whether that's a good or bad thing yet. 
> signed a nuclear arms reduction treaty with Russia
Have you looked at that treaty? No major cuts, no resolution on ABMs or space weapons, and no mention of tactical nukes. At best, it's a modest improvement over the previous START treaty, which means it wasn't much of a step forward.
> and won a Nobel Peace Prize, all in like, what 6 months?
This has been discussed above. No need to reiterate.
Obama is pwns.
The surge Bush did worked.
Terrorism in Iraq is going down nonstop. Recent efforts have broken Al Quieda (sp ? Near bedtime here) with their leadership caught and finding dried up.
In Afghanistan there is a fight which leaves 300 terrorists dead for every soldier killed
You are losing tommie as this picture shows http://www.thenoseonyourface.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/goatboy_edited-1.jpg
Now You Best Put Your Vest On and pull the cord a few times to make sure it works.
"Go surrender yourself then, cause I ain't gonna let them kill meor mine without a fight"
When it was started, it was pointless. It was a stupid war for revenge and demonstrating America's might against a wrong target. A few thousand people are killed in the name of the war on terror, but most of them aren't soldiers or terrorists, they're civilians. The terrorists aren't defeated, are probably still recruting more people. You can not destroy a terrorist organisation with military force..
I'm not saying that the Taliban were awesome. They're a loathful bunch, but liberating the afghan people was far from the first thing on the list.
When terrorists murder citizens of your nation because members of your nation have set boots on their sacred soil, and some retard defends the terrorists' actions as just... Yeah, I used the word retard. Enough said. There's plenty to be said for Amerikan actions that should have been otherwise, but when some ignorant moron without an education arrogantly makes claims about the justification of taking life, he's just that: An ignorant moron. Mental retardation isn't a joke. People suffering from this condition claiming to be able to make moral judgements that matter is.
Point is, Obama has been a great president, possibly the best in a long, long time. Why is that irksome to so many, I wonder, hmm? Is it the fact that he's black? I think so. It bothers people that a black president is simply doing a better job than recent white presidents.
Ugh... a jump to the race card.
Look, in order to legitimately play the race card, you have to first win that the other side has no alternative justification for their arguments. Charges of racism are charges that a person is holding a view which can't logically be true, and is only held as a mask for hidden racism. Thus, you have to win that those who disagree with you are being utterly illogical before you play the card.
For example, if you say "Obama is the best president ever," and I say "No, FDR was," disagreeing with you doesn't necessarily make me racist. I could say "FDR was the best president ever" in response to you saying that Bush, Carter, Washington, or any other person was the best President ever. Unless you can cite specific reasons other than a simple coincidence, you're simply abusing the race card in order to personally attack people... which is a terrible violation of any credible discourse in the forum.
Side note: Actually, if we assume your standard for when the race card is to be played (Note: I don't endorse this... it's simply a tool to demonstrate the fallacy behind such a stance), it would be more logical to say that you were the racist person in the group. Consider this:
You say Obama is the best president ever. You fail to look at every other president individually. Rather, you group them all together, and say "none of them did any better than this guy!"
Your categorization (Obama > The rest) actually creates a dividing line along racial lines. The one African-American is the best, and everyone else is second rate.
However, if anyone disagrees with you, they simply rank Obama as another one of the Presidents, along with all the other guys who sat in the office. No racial divide, as Obama's grouped with other white guys.
See the difference?
Zarf,
Race card played. You can complain I didn't play it properly, but so what? It's already played.
lol now flint thinks I'm a terrorist. lol.
yeah sure there are terrorists going dead due to america which is a good thing.
but there are also civilians dying over their thanks to americans
muslims are being profiled as bad thanks to america.
all this I guarantee gives you more terrorist.
bush's surge had no effect. bombs are being set of or made every day still, and with sniping out leaders you are just making the terrorists harder to find and more radical and unlogical.
basicly you got thousands of brainwashed fools who are told that giving their life by blowing themselves up will get them in heaven. and then you take out their leader who previously decided which person tried to commit an assault where and when.
you basicly cut of the head.
and sure 850 of those 1000 will probably not go through with it after that or get killed during the attackon the leader. the 150 others now are loose cannons. if they abbandon all hope they won't care who, when and what they blow up they just want to go to their god.
and yeah ameican soldiers die, and 300 terrorist for every soldier of america. that's fine.
now count in the casualties in iraq and afghani civilians, the british casualties, the dutch casualties, etc, etc. and you'll be more looking at
300 innocent lives or more lost for every 300 terrorists, costing the usa a few millions in equipment and transportation, providing the terrorists with another 10 new recruits because their families/fathers died because america had to come and interfere.
here's the resume:
terrorists = bad
war on terrorism= minute succeses at best
war on terrorism policy: fail.
There is no morality. There is only power. Talking about justice is meaningless, because it is not measurable. Ask anyone what they think about justice, and you will get several different answers. Instead, you have to think about cause and effect. These terrorists have these motives not because they have a magical envy of America's freedoms etc, that makes absolutely no sense, but because power hungry clerics are fighting to preserve their power and they exploit the ignorance and poverty of common muslims.
The Romans dealt with a similar situation when they conquered France and Britain. Celtic civilization granted great importance on the Druids, and the presence of Rome threatened the power of these Druids. With their considerable influence in society, many Druids frequently encouraged raids on Roman towns and assets in their former territories. Rome's solution was simple and effective: they eliminated the Druids.
I think Obama and the Democrats ARE to blame for high unemployment. It is SYSTEMIC to the socialist-style Euronomics. It is not at all unusual for "first-world" states to have double-digit unemployment. It is unusual here-or it has been. Eurozone has had higher unemployment and lower growth than the USA since its inception. Government guarantees of the solvency of politically connected manufacturers; declaring war on disposable income and "consumption", formerly know as LIBERTY; and "calling out" anybody who DARES earn profits that are "unacceptable"-- these do not spur rapid growth, they do not reward profitable investment; they retard expansion and investment, and chill hiring.
We can have 6% unemployment and 3% growth, or we can have "social justice" and 10% unemployment and 1% growth.
We can have budget surpluses or we can have "stimulus" and have the federal debt greater than all the goods and services traded in the USA for a whole year.
We can get jobs or we can lynch CEOs who do too well.
We can pass on America to our children or we can celebrate Obama.
> xeno syndicated wrote:
> Zarf,
Race card played. You can complain I didn't play it properly, but so what? It's already played.
Um...
1: I'm indicting whether there's merit to your argument.
2: If I win my argument, it proves that you trivialize historic racial violence by using the tools that fight racial violence in irresponsible ways. Your discourse if what gives people the justification to say "racism is dead, this is the best they can pull off as an example of racism today."
3: It proves you're an example of terribly unethical debate practice, and should be ignored by the community as a person more interested in inciting flame wars than actually discussing the merits of arguments.
Apologize, defend yourself, or consider yourself labeled within the community.
Edit: "Your self" should be "yourself."
Congrats on the successful troll Xeno!
Point is, Obama has been a great president, possibly the best in a long, long time. Why is that irksome to so many, I wonder, hmm? Is it the fact that he's black? I think so. It bothers people that a black president is simply doing a better job than recent white presidents.<<
Well, no, he isn't great. Your debate about whether we'd resent a great black president must remain academic.
Personally I think Obama shows that while the bulk of the country will support a minority in office, a RESENTFUL minority will be resented.
Stop feeding the troll.
His basis:
>>he was instrumental in fixing the stock market<<
Which is complete nonsense. Obama hasn't "fixed" the stock market in any way, and he has very obvious detrimental effects on it.
>>and helping th eglobal economy recover by rallying the heads-of-state to back the bail-out plan<<
Everyone with half an education knows that this recovery, by all the numbers, is very slow and jobless. Recoveries are naturally much steeper and faster than this. Obama has slowed down this recovery tremendously. This is hardly opinion. Yeah, there are those who claim that census workers can save the economy, but they have no education nor idea what they're talking about. They think government jobs like census jobs are productive and create wealth and save economies... Everyone who can tie their own shoes knows they're wrong.
>> it was his sheer determination which got medicare passed<<
If he is referring to the health care package, he's incorrect on the facts (it was pressure and corrupt deals that got it passed), and it wasn't an accomplishment to get a garbage bill passed. He could probably get a bill outlawing left-handed smoke shifters passed too, but it wouldn't make him a great president. It's not an accomplishment. It's nothing positive for anyone.
>> signed a nuclear arms reduction treaty with Russia, and won a Nobel Peace Prize<<
And more things which aren't accomplishments.
Xeno has 0 support for his claim that Obama has done anything positive. Thread's spam.
+ census jobs are admittedly temporary
And they are way over counted. Your employed for a week and let go, then offered another "job" for a week.
Such nice job numbers, 4 times higher than they should be.
"Such nice job numbers, 4 times higher than they should be."
I'm going to agree with you on that one Einstein. Certainly not going to say it was the fault of either Red or Blue, but it's definitely true.
"The situation in Gaza is unsustainable," Obama declared as he met with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in the Oval Office. He said the attention of the world is on the problem because of the "tragedy" of the Israeli raid that killed nine people trying to bring in supplies.
Obama called for narrowly tailoring Israel's broad blockade on goods entering the Gaza Strip so that arms are kept out, but not food, building materials or other items needed for the Palestinians' daily life and economic development.
"The key here is making sure that Israel's security needs are met but that the needs of people in Gaza are also met," said Obama.
"So if we can get a new conceptual framework ... it seems to me that we should be able to take what has been a tragedy and turn it into an opportunity to create a situation where lives in Gaza are actually, directly improved."
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Does the President think this tailored approach could be best achieved by:
a) having Israeli inspectors at every port to inspect all cargo
b) letting every ship through and then requiring them to fax a cargo manifest to Tel Aviv
c) STOPPING ALL SHIPS FROM ENTERING GAZA AND ROUTING THEM TO ISRAEL FOR INSPECTION AND SORTING LIKE ISRAEL IS DOING ALREADY
d) stopping all ships from entering gaza and making them offload their cargo into the ocean for inspection
e) Obama doesn't think.
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