Topic: Obama to tax all electronics to subsidize newspapers!

To the tyne of 5 billion dollars on new taxes on anything with microchips inside it.

The FTC published the proposal at the prompting of Robert W. McChesney and John Nichols.  McChesney is a professor in the Department Nichols.  McChesney is a professor in the Department of Communication at the University of Illinois of Communication Urbana-Champaign.  And Nichols is a blogger and activist.


This action would apply to ipads, cell phones, computers, laptops,televisions, microwaves and more.

Clearly designed to save businesses that are failing due to thier not adjusting to modern times and due to over saturation of the market and lack of consumer demand.

This would be cronyism of the highest levels and an utter waste of everyones money.

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Source please! Over here, that's not in the news and we lack a proper source.

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Www.dailytech.com

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Supporting your newspapers isn't bad on its own. The biggest problem in information on the internet is that everyone can supply information without any authority. High quality newspapers are needed, but not necessarily in paper form.
The problem lies deeper though. People, because of the internet, are used to receive information for free. Because of that, news agencies are getting in trouble, and they're needed to have access to verified news. You can say all you want, but a worldwide internet where once source isn't worth more than another, this only opens the doors to virtual economical sabotages and so on.

An extra tax is always unwelcome, but sometimes it's a necessairy thing. If it means protecting verified news, then I'm all for it. but the true sad part here is that the citizens of the US of A apparntly aren't interested in it on its own anymore..

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Here's the specific link

http://www.dailytech.com/UPDATED+3+FTC+Discusses+5+Percent+Federal+Tax+on+Computers+Phones+and+Consoles/article18626.htm

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Yeah, I read it Zarf!

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How does your retort hold in a world where newspaper companies have been able to post their news articles online, posting the same articles which would be otherwise accessed via the newspaper, and being profitable anyway by charging people for the right to access the information and advertising on the website?

While the content of print media is good, the internet does not prevent it from existing.  It's only a question of whether putting said articles on paper is an efficient method.

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I cannot foresee any problems with government funding newspapers. It works great in China. They're big on a free press, and a fine example of the benefits of government getting involved in the media.

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9 (edited by Freelancer 08-Jun-2010 09:20:37)

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"Obama to tax all electronics to subsidize newspapers"

So, where does it say on the article, that Obama will tax anything? For what I understand, the FCT compiled a list of possible solutions, to be discussed by the congress and the president. Nothing wrong there I think.

Beside I think you should first read the FCT report, before being for or against about any solutions.

Where is the link: http://www.ftc.gov/opp/workshops/news/jun15/docs/new-staff-discussion.pdf

10 (edited by Commander Christ 08-Jun-2010 08:36:43)

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"I cannot foresee any problems with government funding newspapers. It works great in China. They're big on a free press, and a fine example of the benefits of government getting involved in the media."

It doesn't have to be that way. The EU funds news agencies, and let's face it, they don't have a good reputation at all. tongue
There's a difference in partially funding it, and controlling it. Every government completely funds ombudsmen, the juridical system and auditbureaus (to check governmental spending). Those institutions are there to keep government in check, while they're completely funded by it. They work well, why would a press bureau that's partially funded with tax money but are otherwise free automaticly mean they're propaganda?

"How does your retort hold in a world where newspaper companies have been able to post their news articles online, posting the same articles which would be otherwise accessed via the newspaper, and being profitable anyway by charging people for the right to access the information and advertising on the website?"

Newspaper websites, at least over here, only give a brief version of the article in the paper form. They also don't charge to access their site. They can't or people would just take the next link in google that is free. It's the same for advertising: the net is a completely different market.
If that doesn't answer your question, I didn't really understand your question..

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11 (edited by Freelancer 08-Jun-2010 09:20:49)

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"I cannot foresee any problems with government funding newspapers. It works great in China. They're big on a free press, and a fine example of the benefits of government getting involved in the media."

BBC is public owned... like many other stations in Europe... and to be honest, if you are looking for a good source, at least in Europe, you will always look first for public owned institutions...

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Oh yes, yes indeed.

But, most Americans don't understand and thus don't like extended government. Soon, "the socialism is evil by default"-tantrum will be uttered again..

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That is a generalization like no other. In Belgium for instance the public television is known for her pro cd&v (center party) stance. That is to name one example. France or especially Italy aren't very good examples either. Also note how the papers or the internet are a source as well.

14 (edited by V.Kemp 08-Jun-2010 09:59:11)

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It doesn't "automatically" mean anything. And it doesn't have to to be a potential problem. And we know what happens with potential problems in the hands of politicians: they become real problems 100% of the time. You referenced audit bureaus as "working well," but I beg to differ. Waste is rampant across the board in government, often starting with union contracts and extending up the management ladder on every single level.

The point is that it opens the door to exploitation that privately owned media in a free market doesn't have to deal with. So long as people want legitimate news sources in a free market they'll exist. Government propping up competition is only bad for the consumer, even if government never exerts any influence on coverage; which is impossible over time, however directly or indirectly.

This isn't a socialism is evil by default attitude, Commander Christ. Though I do believe that tyranny is evil and you obviously disagree. I simply don't admire the BBC's quality particularly much. Perhaps you've grown used to propaganda and indoctrination in your news media as many on your continent have. I don't desire to move in that direction.

There are no benefits to state funding such media. It's effect is to give an edge to some companies over others, which, in case nobody ever educated you, is bad for the free market and bad for the consumer. It's bad for the consumer. This isn't a theoretical argument about the free market. Of course I don't want my hard-earned money being taxed from me and spent on something that's bad for me and everyone else.

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The government is controlling us via satellites and social medicine will bankrupt the world and kill everyone except mexicans by 2015.

Sources:
google.com

> Justinian I wrote:
> Ouro,
Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.

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nothing good will come of newspapers lining up for gubmint cheese.   the media covering US politicians already tends to trade silence for access, so the reporters can make big bucks selling books.  "hey did you guys know Mitt romney stole cars on the campaign trail? I was there!"  that kind of thing, that might be nice to know when it happened instead of 8 years later.

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http://www.theonion.com/video/boston-globe-tailors-print-edition-for-three-remai,17572/

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If newspapers can not compete then they should die off.

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Lulz to the onion, only reliable news source out there.

> Justinian I wrote:
> Ouro,
Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.

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I agree with Bief. I already slapped myself for that.

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the right to be informed should be free. To hell with nesw agencies they haven't been telling whole or true story for years (some local agencied need not apply)

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"This isn't a socialism is evil by default attitude, Commander Christ. Though I do believe that tyranny is evil and you obviously disagree. I simply don't admire the BBC's quality particularly much. Perhaps you've grown used to propaganda and indoctrination in your news media as many on your continent have. I don't desire to move in that direction."

I have never advocated tyranny whatsoever. There's a difference between not linking funding and controlling and supporting a tyranny. And the statement you made that we've all been indoctrinated is only as intelligent as a goose trying to mow the lawn. Another senseless EU vs. US thread is not what this board needs. If you can't accept that we do certain things differently, and that another approach isn't always worse than your approach or evil, than it only shows your narrow view (wich ironicly is always one of the first insults people use against your countrymen).

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Note: I don't care wether the newspapers should be funded or not. I'm only saying that protecting agencies that supply verified newsfacts and other true information (wich varies to scientific magazines to international news) is a valuable thing and necessairy everywhere.

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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/general_business/june_2010/74_oppose_taxing_internet_news_sites_to_help_newspapers

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Government can cause it mixes it with love & makes the world taste good!

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Leeeet the sun shiiiine
Leeeet the sun shine in
The suuuuuuuun shine in

Shit that's 40 years old hmm

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25 (edited by V.Kemp 09-Jun-2010 02:08:19)

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>>I have never advocated tyranny whatsoever.<<

Advocating a government with no limits on its power is advocating tyranny. I'm not interested in equivocating on word choice.

>>And the statement you made that we've all been indoctrinated is only as intelligent as a goose trying to mow the lawn.<<

I didn't say you've all been indoctrinated. I merely pointed out that propaganda and indoctrination are more common on your end of the pond. On my end of the pond the government doesn't have a role in news media (because we don't count Obama's news agency as anything but what it is--in your country, he'd own newspapers and you'd accept them as legitimate) and there is always opposition to positions, even if it's only from PETA because we haven't all gone vegan yet and I have leather coats. We always know what the opposition is, and generally accept it as legitimate and part of the process when it isn't too crazy. It's always shocking when I'm reminded of the weird, out-of-touch consensus views that result from government supported propaganda. Because if the government says so, and the media says so, eventually the people say so or are weirdos. I was just saying you clearly aren't a weirdo. You go along with it. I didn't say you were all indoctrinated, I merely referenced the results your state media have on public opinion. I'm as interested in dishonest conversation as I am in equivocating over word choice.

>>If you can't accept that we do certain things differently, and that another approach isn't always worse than your approach or evil, than it only shows your narrow view <<

Magical relativism is garbage. The theory that everything is fair, that somehow government funded news media and free market news media are are magically equal in value, doesn't even have face validity. If that's your argument, you're not even trying, and there's no sense in responding. You're here accusing me of not accepting that we do things differently. But I'm merely discussing the differences. You're ignoring my statements and attacking me. You didn't touch the content I posted in support of a free media. You didn't touch the content I posted concerning how state dollars hurt consumers of media. If you want to talk about a narrow view, talk about yours, which doesn't address the concerns I posted and mentions an ignorant attack of my countrymen instead. You talk about "protecting" agencies with actions which I have clearly explained hurt them, void of any refutation of my statements.

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