Topic: Taxi Driver in Cumbria Rampages

Investigations into what made a taxi driver shoot 12 people dead in Cumbria may centre on a family row, reports suggest.

Derrick Bird, 52, embarked on a rampage that began near Whitehaven and ended when he turned a gun on himself.

It has been reported he may have been involved in a dispute over a will, and police have confirmed solicitor Kevin Commons is among the dead.

Eleven people were injured as he drove around shooting indiscriminately.

Eight of those are being treated at Whitehaven's West Cumberland Hospital and the Cumberland Infirmary in Carlisle. All are in a stable or comfortable condition, said the NHS.

The remaining three have been allowed to leave hospital.

Police said Bird had firearms licences, which he is understood to have held for 20 years.

Cumbria Police's Deputy Chief Constable Stuart Hyde said: "He had a shotgun certificate and a firearms licence for weapons but we do not know at this stage whether the weapons that we recovered are those he was licensed for.

"A detailed ballistic examination is being undertaken to confirm this."

Rifle and shotgun
Two weapons have been seized by police and are being examined by forensic experts. These are a shotgun and a .22 rifle fitted with a telescopic sight.

The Cumbria force are now involved in what is likely to be their biggest ever investigation, which includes 30 crime scenes.

Detectives said they do not expect to find any more bodies, but are following up more than 1,400 calls from people including witnesses and concerned friends and relatives.

One of the key questions is what might have caused Bird to act in the way he did.


Deputy Chief Constable Stuart Hyde confirmed solicitor Kevin Commons died
A possible theory is that he had been involved in a dispute with his family over a will, other reports suggest he had fallen out with fellow taxi drivers after he believed they had taken work from him.

A friend reported a brief conversation he had with the taxi driver the night before Wednesday's massacre, which ended with Bird warning: "You won't see me again."

The following day Bird is believed to have left his home in the village of Rowrah and began the carnage by shooting dead his twin brother David and the family's solicitor.

Mr Commons, aged 60, worked at KJ Commons solicitors which has offices across the region.

He was found in the driveway of his house on Frizington Road, Frizington.

Next, Bird drove seven miles to Whitehaven where he shot dead taxi driver colleague Darren Rewcastle before heading through villages and countryside in west Cumbria, apparently choosing his targets at random.

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There was blood running in the gutters of the streets of Seascale and this is just something you don't expect

Dr Barry Walker, Seascale GP
Retired Sellafield worker Kenneth Fishburn, who was in his 60s, was shot dead in Egremont, while a woman of about the same age was killed while carrying her shopping in the town.

The gunman then moved on to the village of Wilton and murdered two more people, believed to be a husband and wife.

A part-time mole catcher, aged in his 60s, was the next to be targeted - he was shot and killed at the edge of a field in Carleton.

Then in Gosforth, Bird shot dead rugby league player Garry Purdham at point blank range as he worked in a field.

There were further shootings in Seascale, where cyclist Michael Pike, 64, and Jane Robinson, who was in her 70s and delivering Betaware catalogues, were both killed.

The twelfth victim is understood to be another taxi driver in his 40s.

Dr Barry Walker, a local GP who was called to the scene of the Seascale shootings, said two young girls had witnessed Mr Pike's killing.

Floral tributes have been laid at the scenes of the killings
He said: "He was shot twice by the perpetrator and these two girls were watching it and he looked straight at them and these kids were mute for the next two hours. They couldn't speak for the next two hours."

He added: "It's a beautiful area... to see this kind of carnage in the streets. There was blood running in the gutters of the streets of Seascale and this is just something you don't expect."

Floral tributes have been laid at the scenes of the shootings across the county.

Before Bird was found dead in Boot - shortly after crashing his car near the River Esk - his rampage had spanned about 25 miles.

Don Reed was one of the first people Bird opened fire on in Whitehaven - but luckily he survived with a wound to his back.

Mr Reed, a taxi driver who knew Bird, said: "I looked up and I saw Derrick Bird's taxi pull up at the back end of the taxi rank.

Counselling sessions
"The next thing was he shouted Darren Rewcastle and he walked in the middle of the road, and then he just opened up with a single-barrelled shotgun with a telescopic sight on it.

"He then drove up by me and just pointed it at me, and I just took a flying dive and he caught me in the back. I went on the floor and then I crawled along the taxi rank.

"I was going to apply first aid to Darren, but when I saw Darren, he was gone.

"I crawled round and Derrick Bird was walking towards me with this shotgun."

Mr Reed crawled near the taxi rank and opened all the car doors to get some protection from the shotgun blasts.

Mr Bird fired on fellow taxi drivers in Whitehaven
However, when a friend shouted at Bird, the taxi driver got back in his vehicle and drove off - shooting another man in the face as he left.

Mr Hyde said more than 100 officers were involved in the investigation.

He said: "We are still at a very early stage in our investigation and we are not able to really understand the motivation behind it - or establish whether this was a premeditated or random attack.

"We are working hard to support the families of those involved and our focus is now on gathering as much evidence as possible to build up a clear picture of what happened this morning.

"We want to clearly understand his possession of these weapons, what happened, what went wrong and why he decided to use these to shoot people.

"What we want to do is ensure we understand what has happened, speak to people about him, his life, what has gone on in the last few days, what might have turned somebody into a killer."

Counselling sessions are being offered at the psychology department of the West Cumberland Hospital for anyone affected by the shootings.


Wow i am still in shock about this. sad Horrible series of events

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really got fed up of being a cabbie didn't he?

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7798513/Cumbria-shootings-gunman-Derrick-Bird-kills-12-then-shoots-himself.html

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This answered a question of mine that wasn't in the first article

THREE AND A HALF HOURS?

You gotta have a policy of intercepting and stopping these guys.  Roadblocks.  Helicopter patrols.  When a description of the vehicle goes  out you should be looking to have armed cops running the guy off the road and either getting his surrender or killing him as soon as possible.

We have this happen in the states and nobody tries to drive 25 miles to shoot at random.  They know they'll be stopped in the car because every cop in the state is going to be after them.  They often hole up for 3 1/2 hours, surrounded by police talking them out, but they're not on the road with cops FOLLOWING them.

Consider this a wake-up call, because Al Qaeda has hit Britain before, and if they tried the rifle-squad tactics they did in Mumbai, in Britain... can you imagine?

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Seriously your law enforcement is crap. Time for marshal law.

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The police definitely have to learn lessons from this but the crucial point in terms of roadblocks and helicopter patrols is that this is a small town in a rural part of England. The local police won't have the manpower or resources to quickly set up roadblocks and helicopter patrols.

Having said that Sellafield nuclear power station isn't that far away and I would hope that security and policing around there is pretty robust. I guess that you can't pull security away from there though because it might be a diversion?

Apparently the rugby playing farmer was shot while trying to hit the gunman with a fence post.

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in the US outback they probably would have formed a vigilante lynch mob?

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In the USA the guy could've been shot by armed civilians.

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in America the national legislature votes money to local governments for such purposes.
or create a national highway patrol.

anybody with a WWI - issue .303 Lee Enfield would have outmatched either of his weapons for range and accuracy and striking power.  The biggest threat to a cop with such rifle at 200 yards would have been from his Citroen.  we consider .22 caliber to be for small game like squirrels or birds.

yeah citizens would probably brign teh firepower in USA.  But we also don't tolerate our cops being outgunned.

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If civilians carried guns more people would get shot in the average day/month/year. The advantages gained in public safety in freak (~once in 15 years) events is far outweighed by the number of people being shot who otherwise wouldn't.

Whether police should be more highly armed is another issue.

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ummm i think you guys have missed a vaid point here and thats 'why the [bleep] did he have a firearms license' when he had a criminal record? I think the firearms policis need to be more stricter!

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The bird is the word

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I think the fact that u guys are comparing what would have happened in America and what has happened in Cumbria is just dumb. I mean for a start every police officer in the US has a handgun at all times. While in the UK they don't carry a firearm and i hope it stays like that as-long as possible. I think if this had happened in a city or large town this fool would have been put to bed in double quick time, I think it was the fact it was rural England in a small village

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So being a sitting duck is being patriotic? If you live in low population density england, sucks to be you?

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Nope thats not what im saying at all. I have many close friends who go to Uni around that area and they are very shocked but the people of Cumbria do not want their village to become synonymous to the killings. We do need better armed police responses but lets not condemn the current police forces in England as i know they do a great job. But rural areas do need better response times and better armed response

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yeah I'm not "condemning" I'm just saying it has to get better

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I still wonder if anyone is going to link this whole happening to him having a shotgun and rifle license...

If he didn't have those... would he have just driven his cab into them?

This forum is stupid.