The creation of the Palestinian "state" is as much about letting Egypt, Syria and Jordan deport a militant refugee population as anything else.

"The creation of the Palestinian "state" is as much about letting Egypt, Syria and Jordan deport a militant refugee population as anything else."

Oh the irony! Isn't that exactly how Israel has come to exist?

>.They refuse to release this list, and will not say how the list has been calculated. Things on the list include:

Coriander (But not Cinnamon. Is Coriander inherently more dangerous than Cinnamon?)
Jam
Tinned Fruit (Does tinned fruit pose a security threat to Israeli security? Are tinned fruit rockets now a reality?)
Plastic Toys
Various items of clothing.
Cement
And obviously many more.<<

If "they refuse to release the list" then whose list are you posting?

In my corrections officer class my teacher talked about how his prison allowed canned food to be given by families to inmates.

Until he found a place that offered to can foods for anyone at a mall. He had a .22 pistol (small, very easily concealed normally) hidden in a can and took it to the warden with a label of something the warden liked thrown on after careful removal from the original can.

The warden ended that policy IMMEADIATELY.

Your friend should serve 5 years in prison Arcolex, you should have told him not to go.

Btw as a math scientist who studies other science, with experience in the combat engineers I happen to know some things are easier made into weapons.

Corn for instance can make a chemical gas. Cotton, as Chris showed, with other chemicals, makes a vert stable explosive.

The right combinations and boom!

And the Palestinians love converting anything that can go boom.

Oh and meth addicts in Portland Oregon know what can make meth, and where to get it, and how to convert it in a very similar way. You would be surprised to what extent they will go to in order to get meth. Just like the Terrorists in control of the Gaza will goto to make bombs.

Personally if Israel ever wishes to invade Gaza and kill 100% of the government there, as well as anyone with more than $100 and they ask if I would help I would say 'just make sure I got enough ammo please!'

The terrorists are in control, and any aid helps them unless only one usage, civilian.

I would rather kill everyone there than let their terrorism kill everyone in Israel, because their terrorism won't stop with every Jew being dead.

Flint, that post of yours is so out of sync with reality I don't even know where to start..

"Your friend should serve 5 years in prison Arcolex, you should have told him not to go."

He should serve 5 years in prison because he was attacked on international waters, sure is police state without borders.

"And the Palestinians love converting anything that can go boom."
So you are saying they will have explosives regardless, anywhere any time?
Why haven't I seen hundreds of suicide bombers yet? According to you there are over 100000 terrorists over there all of them wanting to destroy Isreal.

"I would rather kill everyone there than let their terrorism kill everyone in Israel, because their terrorism won't stop with every Jew being dead."
Genocide to prevent genocide? Greater good? This is a preposterous logical fallacy.

Nobody here would bicker about international waters if their navy thwarted invaders where it was tactically practical. Nobody disputes that the intention of the boating enthusiasts was to violate Israel's law inside Israel. Newsflash: Turkey doesn't have a right to do that.

The silly thing about this thread is that we're discussing peace prospects with people who agree with much of the Arab world that Israel shouldn't exist. They will speak of real peace then talk about Israel being in the wrong 100% of the time, giving no attention to what acts provoke Israel to defend itself. It's silly to bring up facts and history. You just repeatedly get the same faulty analogies in response. Israel is bad and murderous, so obviously rocket attacks and violating their sovereignty is okay.

Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums.

International waters huh?

Do we nab pirates in international waters?

What's the turning radius of the Exxon Valdez at full speed distance included. Oh and stopping distance.

You armchair idiots.

Your friend was involved in running a blockade, you should be happy if he lives Arcolex!

WFS is an antisemite. He completely disses on my post without refuting any part and his whole premise is the Palestinians are good and Israel is bad.

The Palestinians are ruled by terrorists. The ones alive when Israel was formed wantd the Israelis killed entirely off when they left.

Countering with other stories does not negate the 100% dead fact.

These smugglers had a stated goal, and resisted paint ball guns with knives and batons.

They deserved to die.

Yes I said it, they deserved to die.

Turkey does not decide what gets through Israels borders and through a blockade. Nor does anyone in this forum. Israel does.

Further no one here can deny that Israel has tried peace a lot and that terrorists have sent mssiles a lot. To deny this is to deny the existance of Gaza and other Palestine lands and to ignore the missiles utterly.

The suicide bomber side is a funny diversion since the Palestines know how hard it is to enter Israel with a vest on. Israel checks! Israel has walls! Israel has automated machine gun turrents! Israel uses the most modern of sensors to detect things!

They use missiles since it gives then a chance to get away.

The Foundation for Human Rights and Freedom and Humanitarian Relief was established in Turkey in 1992 by a member of the Turkish Refah Party, and was formally registered in Istanbul three years later.

Better known by its Turkish name (Insani Yardim Vakfi) and acronym (IHH), the Foundation's initial  mission was to supply aid to Bosnian Muslims during their conflict with Christian Serbs n the Yugoslavian civil war.

To this day, IHH continues to send food, medicine, vocational education, and the construction of schools, hospitals, medical clinics, and mosques. According to Reuters IHH

"Nobody here would bicker about international waters if their navy thwarted invaders where it was tactically practical. Nobody disputes that the intention of the boating enthusiasts was to violate Israel's law inside Israel. Newsflash: Turkey doesn't have a right to do that."

I wouldn't call activists invaders. And I wonder what is truely the violated right here. Is it Israel's blockade, wich isn't recognised by the UN as far as I know. The international waters are a UN regulation though.

"The silly thing about this thread is that we're discussing peace prospects with people who agree with much of the Arab world that Israel shouldn't exist. They will speak of real peace then talk about Israel being in the wrong 100% of the time, giving no attention to what acts provoke Israel to defend itself. It's silly to bring up facts and history. You just repeatedly get the same faulty analogies in response. Israel is bad and murderous, so obviously rocket attacks and violating their sovereignty is okay."

The founding might be a mistake, as much as protestant migrations a few centuries ago in Northern Ireland were. But that doesn't change the situation at all. The people who live there today are the descendents of the immigrants. I never said Israel's 100% wrong, but playing the victim of Palestine terror on the international level while having an ambiguous policy towards the Palestinians is, well, somewhat twisted.

"Arcolex until you dump your friend I consider him a terrorist and you a collaborator."

Very mature Flint! There's a few steps you might have missed there:
1) is your source correct?
2) if it is, was the EU aware of it? If yes, why did they allow the organisation to branch?
3) if yes, were the people on board aware of these hidden agenda?
4) Did Aro's friend know?
5) Did Aro know?

More and more you make me think of this Flint: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3mDLsyn6ns
A mancheistic worldview is easy and orderly, but it doesn't work..