Topic: Causes for the crisis

Why did the crisis happen? We all know about the problems people had to pay for their houses. But why? The cause i.m.o. is simple. Oil prices going up, makes everything more expensive and causes inflation. You have people getting rich and poor but this made the entire world population less rich as whole. Economic crisis erupted. Oil prices went down, and economy had a small revival. If oil prices raise to much the economy won't revive unless we become far more effective.

People fail to understand how every barrel of oil provides a massive amount of labor. Like Romans we consume a lot of labor only we have far more slaves for each civilian, and they are more powerful as well. Using oil more effectively means all of your slaves are working to their full potential.

Note how oil itself is not the only factor here but oil prices are a good indicator for prices of other energy resources like gas coal or even wood. Also there was a problem with other resources like eg iron but that had less influence I think.

If it wasn't for the houses it would have been something else. The core problem was the production cost here.

Only few solutions to prevent another crisis like this. Only 3 options to solve this:
1. more/cheaper oil
2. more effective use
3. an alternative

or a combination of the 3

any thoughts?

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Drill here, drill now!

That's my thought.


USA known reserves out weigh all know oil in the rest of the entire world.


Drill baby drill!

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"USA known reserves out weigh all know oil in the rest of the entire world."

Hm? https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2178rank.html

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It is within the power of the US government to cheapen the price of our oil significantly. But they derive more power from arguing that there is a need to reduce CO2 emissions, so our standard of living comes in second to their thirst for power. After all, they're rich enough that it won't hurt them if our standard of living is cut in half. Hell, if us serfs are willing to work for less, desperate for work, it'll be a bonus.

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With Obama in sure they only count light sweet crude and heavy crude.

Do some research.

Tar oils
Shale oil
Coal to oil conversion


And that list excludes our oil off the coast for sure or we would be #4 in light sweet and heavy crude right there.

I bet they removed ANWAR and the Balkan deposit as well. This administration sucks.

Oh and oil advances, bet they forgot the redrilled pumps at 'dry' well that now pump more per day than they did at their previous best.

Obama sucks donkeys kong.

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i thought the bankers we're the cause of this crises
been on tv for the last few months like 24/7.


I have also heard that there is more then enough oil but that the company's keep their huge prices up.

Problem of this crisis or any other crisis = money.

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I though USA was a good source for data, i couldn't find any other data, that could claim what you said, do have any?

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Everything is the fault of global warming!

DAMNIT

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@"NaKuShItA"
Bankers allowed people to lend things they could not afford. But most of them could not afford it because they had "less" then before. They had less because of high inflation making a lot of things more expensive. Even if we had no currency system at all, if oil prices go up you would be able to afford less as production costs go up.

There are a lot of reasons for the current oil price. One of them is that opec keeps the prices high, another is simply the high demand.

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> Freelancer wrote:

> I though USA was a good source for data, i couldn't find any other data, that could claim what you said, do have any?


LOL provide statistics more reliable then his word? Who the hell do you think you are!?

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According to the USGS known reserves in the world is about 1.4 trillion barrels.

However they rate only light sweet and heavy crude.

http://coyotegulch.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/energy-policy-oil-shale-usgs-revises-estimates-of-total-piceance-basin-oil-shale-upward/

That's 1 trillion barrels in one State alone.

Now the USGS says economically unfeasible and no technological means and pollution and crap.


Its a bunch of hubris. A company proved, with ease, they can achieve a 66% extraction rate from a unit of shale.  This means it can be mined like coal, and produce oil. The additional materials are marketable for profit as a byproduct of production.

The thing holding it ALL up is the EPA and environmental findings which are bullcrap designed to prevent utilization.



Then there is the stiill not accounted for Bakkan Oil Formation with its 500 billion drums of oil. Yes 500 billion.


Add the benefits of Horizontal drilling into the mix, where dry wells produce more oil than ever before and you get a change in the known reserves of the United States to exceed the collective world known reserves.

We have so much shale oil, it boggles the mind.

It is the only thing that will save is from the financial disaster of future bankruptcy from idiot liberals

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> Freelancer wrote:

Hm? https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2178rank.html>

Time to invade Canada

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damn Clinton making our oil into a national park

rape it I say

we need Destro's airborne aircraft carrier so we can suck oil out on the fly

air pirates ftw

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We could save so much money by just dumping all of our garbage into the sea or burning it in protest of Obama.  Lets also encourage amateur oil drillers to start lookin in their backyards! Hell yeah!  And also, national forests?  Who the eff needs those?  Clear cut, stick a tube in em, human progress FTW!!

Are you with me assholes?!

> Justinian I wrote:
> Ouro,
Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.

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I say we put a 10 meter by 10 meter drilling station that can cover a 20 mile radius instead of being idiots.


Btw trash in the Iceland Volcano, think about it tongue

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Now that Obama has promised to do whatever it takes to end the oil leak crisis, can we nuke it? It'd do less damage than the oil already has done, and probably will do.

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I thought some people here were economists? Anyway, simply put:

Inflation always happens, without inflation there is no economical growth. Optimal inflation is between 2% and 5%. Lower or higher leads to economical disasters.

The problem with the crises was that people used credit cards to pay the fines of other credit cards, simply put: they couldn't afford stuff, they still bought it, they were morons! What actually caused the crisis was the fact that once investers heard about it, they simply stopt investing in banks, actually started selling their stocks like morons, or withdrawing money from the bank without the bank being able to give it all back in cash! (there's about 1000 virtual dollar per 1 normal dollar or even more).

The core problem was not the oil, it's human stupidity and the fact that they only seem to use their brains when all other options have deserted them. (or they're dead)

Everything to gain

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assys,
"Inflation always happens, without inflation there is no economical growth."
That is a simplification. But I agree you need a very small inflation % for economic growth.

"Optimal inflation is between 2% and 5%."
It depends however on your definition of inflation. You have the real inflation, which is a guess, or the inflation "measured" which I think is what you mean. Either way I disagree.

"Lower or higher leads to economical disasters."
That is not necessarily true. It depends on a lot of things.

Inflation often is the result of other things. When economy booms and there are low unemployment rates, it often -not always but often - results in inflation. This does not mean that high inflation causes an increase in economy or employment. Its more like a symptom.

Your story of people living on credit is true. However, if inflation wouldn't have been as high, they would have been able to save more. Inflation made the global population less rich. The system would have exploded one day but it would have bought some time thats for sure. Also economy would have recovered far quicker. Note that with low inflation consumers could afford more, and economy would boom. This causes an increase in employment rates and this in its turn would allowed more people to pay their rent.

Investors only stopped investing after they though other investors would. A lot of people knew the problem all along.

If the credit problem did not exist, another crisis would have happened. Sooner or later. It was more or less inevitable.