Chattax.. well said.. bravo!

We won't attack 645 anymore, at first we had doubts but we will sign nap till eor offcourse for 0 COMP!!

cause comp is for [This lonely view]

Losov, I said before and I say now I actually thought 663 was doing very well under the attacks, which was giving BG and anub a chance to prove if they could back up their talk (well, nothing could back up their talk, it was so extreme, but you know what I mean) with actual skills.  So I actually think they were passing the test, and proving themselves to be very solid (if not, as they claimed the greatest ever) players.

But the deficiencies of BG and Anub were never so much technical prowess or strategic cunning as they were character flaws, immaturity and a disdain for the Golden Rule.  I am left wondering about their deletions.  Did they know they had lost and quit rather than fight it out?  My guess: they made a poor attack decision and got a substantial portion of their fleet smoked, or lost the ability to hold portalled planets.  Rather than accept that setback and go through a week of trying to rebuild and hold on, because once the losses came the sharks would go into a feeding frenzy, they quit.  In short, their egos were so connected to the outcome that they couldn't face losing.  Again, that's what I'd call immaturity.  Those of us who've played a while know that a good round is a good round, you can't guarantee a top finish unless you're prepared to spend (waste) a LOT of time on here, and even then, bad luck, poor positioning, a couple of deletions, whatever, can mean your round doesn't reflect your skill, and that can happen both ways.  I was once top 40 in Draco, worst round I ever played, I just got lucky.

The goal is to play your game, to make friends, enjoy the chat, play with honour, have fun.  Anyone who measures themself as a person by their results here needs to re-evaluate their priorities.  It's a cliche but it really isn't if you win or lose (although winning is better ) but how you play the game.  There is skill in playing IC well, but it's not the kind of game of skill that other mind games are, like chess, go, or bridge.  You will do well if you are active, if your family is active and skilled, if your position is decent/lucky in terms of nearby opponents, if your diplomacy is good, etc.  Just understanding the math of the game and how to conduct attacks, well, I don't want to act like that's nothing, but it's not like learning lebensohl responses or Alekhine's Defense or what have you, these aren't towering accomplishments of skill, they just show you can do some basic math and master some fairly simple concepts.  Again, I don't say this to put it down, it's a fun game to enjoy and to be proud of when you play well.  But you know, what we're doing here isn't really that hard or particularly meaningful.  It's a fun diversion which for a lot of us is raised a level by the social element.

Heaven, while I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, what did you want them to do?  We all know that disagreement within a family spells doom, so most people are going to pull a Milgram's 37 and remain silent or present a common front, particularly if what anub and BG are saying is they know what they're doing and it seems to be working (they were #1, after all).

So rather than get into it you do like Edge or Jade, you play your round as best you can and try not to get too involved with the more dishonourable attacks, just sit them out.  I'm not saying it's right, but it's what most people would do, they're not going to throw away a potential #1 round just because the leader is a bit of a blowhard.  And you read what Edge said, when the round started they did a good co-ordinated bor. 

For those ceasing attacks on 663 now, I'm not saying you have to do that, but if you did:  Respect.

Tazos u say that u dont like GARY too... why than u stick with him? if u see that he's doesnt play by rules... why u listen to him? why you all vote for him as for leader? huh? u lie to yourself

what u said is not an excuse... if your leader make strange decisions and if u follow him that all your fam fault.... so yes, we can judge u

too well known players like most dishonourable players... that's their expierence

> Heavenites wrote:

> those who are left in 663 aren't a hair better then gary or mark! they all stood behind them with the action against all other fams. getting raped is what they deserve!

So because we don't agree with 1-2 players, we just leave our fam behind, or go rogue? What about the other family members?
P.S. Gary said EXACTLY the same as you do

To all those blaming the rest of 663 for Gary's and Mark's actions:

it only takes 3 votes to hold a leader in place.
and getting people to change their vote is very hard, especially when the fam is doing well.

I found myself in a very similar situation, I'm in 642.
even with 38 threatening to wipe out the whole fam unless we changed our leader.
Only 2 changed their vote.

Each member of a fam should be judged on the merit of their own actions.
those remaining in 663 deserve the respect of giving the chance to show their own merit.

no not really BYS2, honour is a way off playing so that the game stays fun for everyone, and not just you having fun.

ATM IC cant use farmers. most small fams go inactive if they get to much farming early on and chances are those players wont bother loging in next time the gal starts, meaning again less IC players.

i'll ask my question again Heavenites, since you haven't responded to it, what did you excpect us to do? start going rogue & attacking Mark & Gary ?