I think it is good to be tactful. But I do not agree with multiculturalism. A culture is a result, or adaption to, a population's economic and political circumstances. An agrarian society will have a different culture from an early merchant or industrial society. A society exposed to war will have a different culture from one exposed to peace and trade. Culture has no inherent or aesthetic value. Immigration from a society that is nomadic to a capitalist society is bound to lead to serious adaption issues.

That said, immigration results in the United States have been mixed. In the case of Somalis, for example, integration has been difficult. Multiculturalism has done nothing but shield a primitive culture from adapting to a capitalist one. On the other hand, the Hmong have integrated very well for the most part. The majority of them have adopted Western values, women pursue careers and they have contributed to our economy. A great number of them have provided us with pleasant restaurants and exotic foods. In the case of Somalis, their value of the Koran prevents them from going anywhere economically because they are prohibited from certain economic transactions (taking out a mortgage) and social relations.

I think Multiculturalism can be a good thing, but only under certain conditions. Personally, I think immigration should be limited to cultures with similar economic circumstances or to cultures that seem like they could adapt without serious issues. But in the case of Islam, I think it's clear they can not integrate in to Western societies. Their culture has had a backlash to Western influence, for the most part they do not integrate in Western societies, and their religion predetermines them in to poverty in a Western society. That said, I have no issues with immigration from Europe or Japan. But I do not stand for immigration for the sake of immigration, nor the shielding or celebration of cultural practices that have their origins in primitive economic circumstances.

As for the PC crowd that call you racist... I just love to mock them for being idiots. I will state that racism means you subscribe to a racial taxonomy based on biology, and that I subscribe to no such thing. They are just morons for thinking it is racist to oppose multiculturalism or certain cultural practices.

yes but multiculturalism along with political correctness contends that 'all cultures are equal' - clearly cultures thats are sexist, homophobic, anti-free speech etc cannot be considered equal to ones that are not.

"But in the case of Islam, I think it's clear they can not integrate in to Western societies. Their culture has had a backlash to Western influence, for the most part they do not integrate in Western societies, and their religion predetermines them in to poverty in a Western society. "

And I bed to differ on that completely. Obviously you never got to know a wider variety of people.

If ya'll don't know this about me, but I'm a muslim. And the times I've gotten comments about this is how people go "oooh, I didn't know you were a muslim, you aren't like the other ones then..yada yada..*insert little knowledge they have(which is wrong)*"
Well adapted is thrown in there.

Then they go and spit everything back into my face about my ethnicity and my religion. It's annoying as [a cotton headed ninny muggins] but I try to be tactful about it.

"So you can't drink beer?" "So you can't have sex before marriage?" You try explaining your stance on it every single time over and over and over again. Every set of friends you make that aren't foreiners will comment on this and keep on it as if they want to convert you to atheism or something else. It's something to use a conversation piece when they find their own lives too dull to talk about. Some will even interrupt me and say some more things that would get their faces smashed in if they were talking to other people.

And I know other people, much of my other friends that are of different ethnicity are like me usually act like me, but they lack something. They get upset when someone mentions religion one more [bleepidy  bleep bleepin bleeper bleep bleepitty bleepidy bleep]  time. And I swear to god, one day I'm just gonna snap and butcher em all with a kebab knife and laugh at how silly they look with their guts hanging out.

@op
From what you said, you could have won, but you got stupid.

Look on the bright-side. You could be in America where those retards are currently in control of the federal government. Even worse, you could be in California where those idiots are in control of the State government and the Federal government.

No what you said wasn't racist. People don't beat there wife's because they're Turkish or Hindu, they beat them because their culture allows it. Leftards are incapable of thinking for themselves and will spit out garbage without ever listening to an opposing argument. Don't waste your time with them. When they start insulting you and putting words in your mouth it means your opinions are correct. They're too cowardly to concede so they slander.

It's funny, really.  Since being accused colonialists and mercantilists, westerners (especially Brits, French, Germans) have stepped back aghast at the notion and have begun to consider their accusers claims.  They've spent the last 50 years debating it, fighting over such issues as multi-culturalism, equal opportunity and rights for minorities, etc.

Meanwhile, their accusers don't talk of equality of opportunity for minorities in their own countries.  The accusers themselves don't bother to have discussion on multiculturalism or rights for their own minorities.    While the west argues over how to define 'political correctness', those countries which had originally accused the west now commit cultural and physical genocide on their own minorities, and actually take strides to foster racism against minorities and foreigners rather than diminish it.  Racism they use a tool to maintain nationalistic ferver, and you'll never know when you'll have to whip up your population into a frenzy against the 'OTHER'.

Westerners really are entertaining with their talk on political correctness, minority rights, etc.  And they have no idea that they are making fools of themselves.  And their accusers have been ROTFL for 50+ years.

It's hilarious, really.

> explain how I am being racist? I have raised concerns that certain cultures have
> problems which is YES offensive to some and YES it is not politically correct. but
> how is that racist?
>
> race and culture and not the same, at least not in the oxford dictionary.

I was getting the feeling that your attitude was one that frowned upon the
adoption of other cultures because of their inability to adapt to your cultures
demands (thus, discriminating against another culture because you both
do not share the same beliefs).

(Don't misread this though, i do agree with your original point of having to integrate).

I'll update my vocabular for the future. Oh and the oxford dictionary is not my
bible . I don't really care for the exact meaning of words, only their meaning
in general (that is, i'm not going to argue for an hour the exact definition of
racist and if it includes cultures). Do remember that this is a Swedish forum
on a web-based space conflict game.

I'm beyond being saddened .  For the sake of one's own sanity, one must learn to laugh at this perpetual folly of humanity.

> xeno syndicated wrote:

> It's funny, really.  Since being accused colonialists and mercantilists, westerners (especially Brits, French, Germans) have stepped back aghast at the notion and have begun to consider their accusers claims.  They've spent the last 50 years debating it, fighting over such issues as multi-culturalism, equal opportunity and rights for minorities, etc.

Meanwhile, their accusers don't talk of equality of opportunity for minorities in their own countries.  The accusers themselves don't bother to have discussion on multiculturalism or rights for their own minorities.    While the west argues over how to define 'political correctness', those countries which had originally accused the west now commit cultural and physical genocide on their own minorities, and actually take strides to foster racism against minorities and foreigners rather than diminish it.  Racism they use a tool to maintain nationalistic ferver, and you'll never know when you'll have to whip up your population into a frenzy against the 'OTHER'.

Westerners really are entertaining with their talk on political correctness, minority rights, etc.  And they have no idea that they are making fools of themselves.  And their accusers have been ROTFL for 50+ years.

It's hilarious, really.

But in the end, inspite of our political correctnes, we still live in luxury whilst the "accusers" wallow in their own filth. So who really has the last laugh?

> The main problem here is, is that people still consider "racism"(I prefer to call it
> culturalism) to be a bad thing. Which it isn't.

How ISNT is a bad thing?

Racism is not judging someone by their skin color. It is subscribing to a model that humans can be biologically ordered by sub-species, and more importantly that each sub-species has different averages of intelligence, moral reasoning and physical ability etc, because of biology.

It's only imbeciles who use racism to refer to someone who criticizes cultural practices. It's just a way to silence debate and criticism to Multiculturalism and unrestricted immigration.

But criticizing culture is perfectly fine. It makes sense to condemn a culture for human sacrifice. I know that's an extreme example, but if a cultural practice is detrimental or obstructive to productivity and social order, then there is no reason why I can not criticize or condemn it on practical grounds.

think about it this way, the less stupid asses we have, the more jobs for those that really want to do something with they're life, and then only one person in the family has to work, and the children grow up with a better understanding of what it takes to be a good citizen.
and offer visectomies to every 18yo, gov paid for, that way we don't have a lot of bastards running arround asking who's they're daddy.

@BC Cougar

> i say that let peaceful people be peaceful, and kill the rest

So you want to die?

> if a terrorist kills people, kill his whole family "ALLL OF THEM" that is the only thing they understand.

This is absurd. Do you murder the whole family of a murderer? No. Why? Because more
often then not they are (A) Innocent and (B) condemning the attack.

Most suicide bombers are 'tricked' into the act due to a lack of education and are lead like a lamb to believe
that another group of people are inferior.

Ironically your post doesn't seem to differ all that much from a terrorist...