"i think ppl confuzzle prayers helping and prayers curing"

I agree and I propose the government dispatch agents to find these people and give them a well deserved smack.  Then have them relocated to a facility where they can watch the instructional video "Prayer in Medicine: It'll Fight the Battle but it Can't Win the War"  Starring Dr Phil and David Spade

"And yet the child had not seen a Doctor since the age of three."

according to one source, who they only refer to as Vergin...

"But I know their actions, and their actions tell me they chose Prayer over Medicine."

and how did their actions tell you that?

> avogadro wrote:

> "And yet the child had not seen a Doctor since the age of three."

according to one source, who they only refer to as Vergin...<

If you doubt the validity of the source I suggest you contact the reporter.

>"But I know their actions, and their actions tell me they chose Prayer over Medicine."

and how did their actions tell you that?<

Because that is what they did, or did you miss the part where it took some other member of their family to call an ambulance rather than the parents themselves?

> ..Nemeara.. wrote:

> that s just one study red, and they might ve overlooked confounders <

The confounders?
Regardless, all other studies of this kind (which are easily researched) show similar results, results which can be duplicated with sing songs and family visits.

i was trying to point at that the effect of a positive attitude/coping mechanism has been proved significantly in several studies, and that the effect of prairs/praying isnt easily researched and the subject is of such nature ppl pro and con will find studies to suit their explanation

> ..Nemeara.. wrote:

> i was trying to point at that the effect of a positive attitude/coping mechanism has been proved significantly in several studies,<

Exactly my point.

>and that the effect of prairs/praying isnt easily researched and the subject is of such nature ppl pro and con will find studies to suit their explanation<

What's so hard to study about it? People either pray or they don't, it either works or it doesn't.

I have never read an article about or even heard of prayer being more successful than good old fasioned positive thinking.

> Muppet wrote:

"Having faith and belief is a very strong form of positive thinking."

correction: *can be a very strong form of positive thinking

it isnt perse. it doesnt help if u "give up" and watch the skies cuz you ll be saved anyways ( imo)

for ppl who "believe" stuff about positive energy, stuff like telepathy etc, praying could be seen as a way of conveying positive energy

> authenticthug wrote:
> wow you atheist are so ignorant and full of hate<

If I ask you for an explanation regarding this post will it be relevant to the discussion or am I right in assuming you are just trying to stir up the muck?

If my assumption is right then I suggest you read your bible very carefully, I think you will find something in there about picking fights and stirring muck for no good reason.

"wow you atheist are so ignorant and full of hate"

Human beings are full of hate what planet are you living on.

In defence of atheists they're no more hateful than any other group of people and a lot less dangerous than most.

"Having faith and belief is a very strong form of positive thinking."

Yes it can be.  It can also be a source of anxiety, guilt, and fear which are quite detrimental to your health.  Keep in mind there are still religions and religious sects that view illness as a punishment from God, belief in these are absolutely no help to the sick.

What a poorly constructed and punctuated post!

"no not that I can recall"

I'm assuming this is in response to "Shit stirring is unchristian, the Bible says so" comment.

"but it does talk about ignorant and hateful people who end up going into Jewish synagogues  killing one woman and injuring  6 others after holding a gun  to the head of a 14 year old girl to get into the temple,"

Guns in the Bible? Wow, this thing is cooler than I thought! Hmm, maybe that was a figure of speech that just looks like a statement of fact due to your poor sentence structure? So how do we know these "ignorant and hateful" people are definitely Atheist and not members of Islam or some other strange cult?

"my point is you cant hate someone for what they believe because it leads to such tragedies and by the way im not jewish or in any form of religion."

You didn't read the thread properly did you? You read untill you saw something you didn't like and then you promptly bashed at your keyboard in a religious fervour without ever thinking that a bunch of Atheists could come to this realisation on their own, didn't you?
Old news, friend: Already discussed, already agreed upon, already pointed out SEVERAL TIMES that what pisses us off is NOT the parents RELIGION, it is the parents ACTIONS.

Now bugger awf! X(

"You say that the odds are too large for the origin of life to be by chance, so what are the odds for the existence of a creature that cannot be seen, heard, smelled or touched, but exists everywhere all the time and is all-powerful and is apparently unaffected by the billions of paradoxes its existence requires, let alone creates? Do tell me of those odds, please?"

Thats an athiest statement buddy also Islam and cults all believe that there is a supreme being or higher power. and my post may have  be poorly constructed and puncuated so what  [powder] off , also Im a world religion major in uni and every religion in the world believes in some sort of prayer even Satinism the parents of the girl just took it too far, they didnt realize doctors are a tool for god to work through.

"Thats an athiest statement buddy"

Yes my signature is an atheistic statement, however I fail too it's relevance regarding this:

<<"but it does talk about ignorant and hateful people who end up going into Jewish synagogues  killing one woman and injuring  6 others after holding a gun  to the head of a 14 year old girl to get into the temple,"

Guns in the Bible? Wow, this thing is cooler than I thought! Hmm, maybe that was a figure of speech that just looks like a statement of fact due to your poor sentence structure? So how do we know these "ignorant and hateful" people are definitely Atheist and not members of Islam or some other strange cult?>>

"also Islam and cults all believe that there is a supreme being or higher power."

Which is relevant to the issue of "ignorant and hateful people because?... Are you honestly suggesting that being religious automatically protects someone from being ignorant and hateful?

"and my post may have  be poorly constructed and puncuated so what  [buzzcocks] off,"

So what? How about you're trying to make a point and I'm having to guess what that point is? Not exactly conducive to understanding is it?

"also Im a world religion major in uni and every religion in the world believes in some sort of prayer even Satinism"

That's nice, and yes they do.... how is this relevant?

"the parents of the girl just took it too far, they didnt realize doctors are a tool for god to work through."

So we are in agreement, pleasure talking to you.

"...god loves us more then people who lived before?"

Not necessarily. I believe that God put us here one way or another, and He wishes to see how we develop. We couldn't very well have been put here with everything if God didn't want to see how people became who they are and who, ultimately, deserves to go to Heaven.