How to run fam (fam bank/team)

[00:01] <Parrot> alright todays topic is not "leadership starters" as that makes 0 sense
[00:01] <OrBit> your all welcome to contribute and discuss, but lets keep it on topic
[00:01] <LuStEr> ok iluvatar is the gayest leader
[00:01] <AdriusAvangion> :\
[00:01] <OrBit> we know
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[00:01] <Parrot> today we will be talking about different ways of running the fam as a leader, mainly how to get the fam working
  together
[00:01] <iluvatar> kick him, he isnt on topic
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[00:02] <Parrot> a few years ago the most popular format was the basic attacker/banker teams
[00:02] <OrBit> miss those times
[00:02] <LuStEr> same here
[00:02] <Parrot> u can have 1 attacker to a banker or several attacker to a banker vice versa and they have little competitions and
  see whos the better team in the fam
[00:02] <LuStEr> god tri and andro were good witht hat system those days
[00:03] <Parrot> as time passes resoucer was introduced and attacker became hc 100% RC attackers
[00:03] <OrBit> this was always joined with competition threads in forums, "first to 500k"  ect
[00:03] <Parrot> and team involved mainly into banker+attacker+resourcer
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[00:03] <LuStEr> oh hell ye good ol days aye orbit
[00:03] <iluvatar> parrot, that is for logging the chat
[00:03] <Parrot> oh
[00:03] <Parrot> oops!
[00:03] <Parrot> sorry
[00:03] <sir_ontario> they still work
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[00:03] <Parrot> yes sir ontario they do indeed work thats why we ll talk about it
[00:04] <Parrot> as the team get bigger and fam size shrunk eventually the fam start to play as 1 single team
[00:04] <ilutroller> oki i lied, its to tell everyone how luster got pwned
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[00:04] <Parrot> and this is what we now call fam bank
[00:05] <Parrot> so anyone care to explain what fam bank is?
[00:05] <sir_ontario> i can
[00:05] <Parrot> how its usually run etc
[00:05] <Parrot> go on sir ontario
[00:05] <OrBit> go for it
[00:05] <OrBit>
[00:05] <LuStEr> isnt it a system where everyone aids 1 specific person to help jump a fam in their own way
[00:05] <LuStEr> or sumfi
[00:05] <LuStEr> likey that
[00:05] <LeezZzNotHere> shh
[00:06] <OrBit> anyone have anything different?
[00:06] * LuStEr is tooo tired
[00:06] <iluvatar> does he have a offbutton
[00:06] <sir_ontario> it's where the fam picks a few trustworthy players that combined are online for 24 hours to send everything to
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[00:06] <kirklestat|asleep> teach me to lead
[00:06] <LuStEr> lol
[00:06] <LeezZzNotHere> The fam bank is:
[00:06] <sir_ontario> then ppl ask that person for aid when needed
[00:06] <mel> all aid a person and he go rugoe
[00:06] <Parrot> <sir_ontario> it's where the fam picks a few trustworthy players that combined are online for 24 hours <= thats
  much better than a single person
[00:06] <mel> kill all fam member
[00:06] * LuStEr tells kirk the force is sstrong with u young 1
[00:06] <mel> that koolio fam bank
[00:06] <OrBit> ok cool
[00:06] <LeezZzNotHere> The most Efficeint Way to Organise afamily in the State IC is in Yo organise Family jumps and Send aid in
  the most efficent way for fastest possible fam Growth
[00:07] <Parrot> so at least u know that fam bank cant be run by a single person
[00:07] <OrBit> good
[00:07] <sir_ontario> that's the way it's been in fams i've been in
[00:07] <OrBit> your all wrong btw
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[00:07] <OrBit> but good
[00:07] <OrBit> the truth is, there is no definition of fam bank
[00:07] <OrBit> its been copied over and over
[00:07] <kirklestat|asleep> where is Torqez?
[00:07] <OrBit> each time changing
[00:08] <Aleph> Torquez building wizzards...
[00:08] <iluvatar> it all has the same base and the same goal
[00:08] <Aleph> and Colorado in job
[00:08] <OrBit> everyone has there own style of running the system, and yea it is based on the same goals.
[00:08] <kirklestat|asleep> i want to hear it from him. i want him to teach me
[00:09] <Parrot> but the name fam bank is a very misleading one
[00:09] <OrBit> we will try an explain best we can how we would personally run our family bank
[00:09] * LuStEr slaps kirk torqez is noob to us
[00:09] <Parrot> ppl hear the term fam bank and just send money to said bank
[00:09] <Parrot> although the fact is fam bank runs differently during each stage of the game
[00:10] <Parrot> but itself is a system where the entire fam work as a single team
[00:10] <Parrot> the bank element do come in more as round progresses as it can also double as a warchest
[00:10] <Parrot> but this is not what orbit will discuss about running the fam
[00:11] <OrBit> a warchest
[00:11] <OrBit> is that some kind of pirate thing
[00:11] <OrBit> because ur a parrot
[00:11] <OrBit>
[00:11] <LeezZzNotHere> lol
[00:11] <LeezZzNotHere> pwned
[00:11] <Parrot> :<
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[00:12] <LuStEr> haha
[00:12] * LuStEr slaps orbit
[00:12] <LuStEr> get back to work bitch
[00:12] <OrBit> ok first rule is to not stress the importance of a family bank, if you tell a family member to "aid to fam bank" 
  they are likely to get inpatient, bored, inactive
[00:12] <LuStEr> leave my parrot
[00:12] <LuStEr> cause polly wanna cracker
[00:13] <OrBit> i would try it from a different angle.  "once you have catered for your own needs, then anything you have in reserve
  can be sent to here"
[00:13] <Parrot> ah ha!
[00:13] <Parrot> very good
[00:14] <Parrot> 1 important thing for this to work
[00:14] <Lyndira> but it can work the otherway round too ;P you can send all and the good communicating team will cater to all your
  needs ;P
[00:14] <Parrot> is let everyone have initiative
[00:14] <Parrot> eg the goal is to get everyone to 300%
[00:14] <Parrot> make sure everyone knows that
[00:14] <OrBit> you do not want players to log on, send to bank, [ ].  you want them to come online, find the resources they
  need as a player, then find out where his leftovers can be most productive
[00:14] <Parrot> so a banker will log on and say i need stuff to bjuild to 300%
[00:14] <Parrot> u will aid him whats in bank and he will send back leftover
[00:15] <Parrot> if ppl dont know whats happening while u run a fam bank
[00:15] <Parrot> what happens is the bank will just have lots of stuff and ppl holding it donno what to do with it
[00:15] <Parrot> this is very bad
[00:15] <OrBit> i dont know if anyone has tried this,  but as fam bank, i wont ask anyone to build
[00:15] <kirklestat> and just sleep with the bank
[00:15] <OrBit> if people want to build, they come ask me
[00:16] <LuStEr> ye kirk ur good fort hat
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[00:16] <Parrot> so a few key point for running fam bank
[00:16] <OrBit> as a leader you dont want to get into the routine of playing for your family members
[00:16] <Parrot> 1. have a few active player with different timezone that u trust to hold during their online times
[00:17] <Parrot> 2. let all player know whats the general thing thats happening and let them know if they need things done to ask
  bank for aid
[00:17] <mel> 1 dont let nolio hold
[00:17] <Parrot> yes
[00:17] <mel> he sleep with the bank
[00:17] <Parrot> dont let nolio hold bank
[00:17] <Parrot> ever
[00:17] <mel> :s
[00:18] <Parrot> ok lets say
[00:18] <Parrot> u have the bank
[00:18] <Parrot> and u have to log off
[00:18] <VR> just let arganon hold it instead
[00:18] <Parrot> and none of the other ppl that are on can take bank, whats the logical thing to do?
[00:18] <OrBit> as a leader your main aim with the fam bank is to get all your players thinking like you do, thinking about what can
  be built, overbuilt, defences, communicating.  Eventually you can take the bank out of the family bank and just run off each other
[00:19] <Parrot> its better when the bank is constantly run out
[00:19] <Parrot> then to have a big bank with noone doing anything
[00:19] <TYMO> exactly !
[00:19] <Parrot> the only time is when planning big infra jumps
[00:20] <Parrot> then the bank will be big
[00:20] <Parrot> but always have things used up then sitting on cash/res decaying
[00:20] <OrBit> unless ur players like building 100% at a time
[00:20] <OrBit>
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[00:20] <Parrot> hehee
[00:20] <Parrot> well to answer my own question
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[00:21] <Parrot> as a leader u should have a general idea of when ur player logs in
[00:21] <Parrot> so 1. either pass it to the next person that is expected to log in and send him a pm
[00:21] <Parrot> or 2. send to the next person that can use it
[00:21] <Parrot> but the general idea is u want to spend it the most efficient way
[00:21] <Parrot> as lee said at the start
[00:22] <LuStEr> dont let parrot hold bank
[00:22] <LuStEr> he makes big banks
[00:22] <Parrot> so orbit what are the benefit of running teams instead?
[00:22] <OrBit> ill go into it in a sex
[00:22] <OrBit> not sex
[00:22] <OrBit> sec
[00:22] <OrBit>
[00:22] <OrBit> first who thinks they are good enough leaders
[00:23] <OrBit> and wants to answer some of my questions
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[00:23] <OrBit> no one ?
[00:23] <OrBit>
[00:23] <Parrot> maxijazz think he is good
[00:23] <Parrot> btw
[00:23] <Rhythm|Work> ?
[00:23] <Parrot> he can answer ur questions
[00:23] * Pyf points at Rhythm|Work
[00:23] <elmer> what are the questions first :-)
[00:23] <OrBit> that would be telling
[00:24] <OrBit> ok then i guess your all too pansy
[00:24] <OrBit> ill let anyone answer
[00:24] <OrBit> ok first
[00:24] <LuStEr> lol orbit just start ur questions
[00:24] <OrBit> alright
[00:24] <OrBit> give me a break
[00:24] <OrBit>
[00:25] <OrBit> you have started your fam bank system and its working well, you got maximum activity and cooperation.  your
  exploring, building and your defences are top notch.  But you seem to always have excess cash and resources
[00:25] <OrBit> what do you do
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[00:26] <Pyf> switch to doing jumps of infra
[00:26] <OrBit> explain further
[00:26] <Legions> smoke it?
[00:27] * Parrot slaps Rhythm|Work around a bit with a large trout
[00:27] <LuStEr> make ur fam go to 100%
[00:28] <Pyf> if you have excess cash and resources, means you've got to a point where everyone is at a good level of ob and built
  similarly
[00:28] <LuStEr> then up to 300% infrawhoreing
[00:28] <Pyf> LuStEr, u shouldn't really have much spare cash before everyone is at about 300%
[00:29] <Parrot> so yes infra jumping is a good idea
[00:29] <Parrot> lets look it as 2 ways
[00:29] <Parrot> [00:25] <OrBit> you have started your fam bank system and its working well, you got maximum activity and
  cooperation.  your exploring, building and your defences are top notch.  But you seem to always have excess cash and resources
[00:29] <Parrot> lets say if u have excess cash at eor, u can do some portals or send out more expos, if its resoucers then ob
  bankers
[00:29] <Parrot> sor*
[00:29] <Parrot> and excess cash can also build bigger resoucer
[00:30] <Parrot> then as pyf stated at around the 300% ob mark
[00:30] <Parrot> is when the bank start to get excess of everything
[00:30] <Parrot> and as he said thats a good time to start to plan some bigger infra jumps
[00:31] <Parrot> orbit just got an important phone call from PP so he will brb
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[00:31] <Pyf> Parrot, explain how to use the matrix thing, coz the number of people who don't realise what a useful tool that is....
[00:32] <Parrot> the matrix thing eh
[00:32] <Parrot> http://silenz.org/matryx.php
[00:33] <Parrot> useful tool for working out the approx needs for infra jumps
[00:33] <Parrot> its not 100% accurate but it does give u a general idea of how much u will need
[00:34] <Parrot> although this is getting to close to infra planning and is drifting from topic so i ll talk about it till orbit
  comes back
[00:34] <Rhythm|Work> yeah make sure you know how to work out percentages to use it though :-/
[00:34] <Pyf> also can be used to work out whether there is a benefit in getting people to throw cash into construction science
  before a jump
[00:34] <Parrot> pyf u are such an infra whore changing the whole topic into infra buliding
[00:34] <Parrot> BAD
[00:34] <LeezZzNotHere> i can tach u pyf
[00:35] <LeezZzNotHere> if u PM me
[00:35] <LeezZzNotHere> teach*
[00:35] <Pyf> sorry, whats the topic
[00:35] <Parrot> basic ways of running the fam, mainly economy
[00:35] <LeezZzNotHere> Fam bank/Teams - Leaderhisp
[00:35] <Parrot> eg fam bank team etc
[00:36] <Parrot> not how to plan infra jumps
[00:36] <Parrot> the part we got to was what to do with excess stuff
[00:36] <Parrot> which was infra jumping
[00:36] <LeezZzNotHere> lol if u wanna know Matryx PM me and i can tell u its pretty simple.
[00:36] <Parrot> how its done its up to the economy guy
[00:36] <Pyf> surely thats part of leadership? but yeah so moving on.......
[00:37] <Parrot> yeah
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[00:37] <Parrot> so we covered 2 things 1. what to do if no one can hold bank and 2. what to do with excess gc.ressies
[00:37] <Parrot> anyone got any other potential problem that can happen while running fam bank?
[00:39] <Pyf> destroy cash/iron + people going offline while holding it + bankers etc getting bored of playing ie irritated that
  they don't build that often
[00:39] <Parrot> yes
[00:39] <Parrot> very good pyffy!
[00:39] <Parrot> so for 1st problem
[00:39] <Parrot> destroy cash/iron
[00:39] <OrBit> norweigens!
[00:40] <Parrot> whoever hold the ressies needs a decent agent/wiz defence if its during conflict time
[00:40] <OrBit> everyone should have
[00:40] <elmer> people not passing it when logging off/just using it all each time it comes to th em
[00:40] <Parrot> never send ur entire bank to ur 10k nw attacker
[00:41] <Pyf> but what if no one is oonline who can adequately defend it?
[00:41] <Parrot> very rare situation that happend in war time
[00:41] <OrBit> play chase the ace with ur iron
[00:41] <OrBit> if u got 2 or 3 of ur online
[00:41] <OrBit> every 10 minutes
[00:41] <OrBit> ship it around
[00:42] <Parrot> until someone got a sufficient wizard defence usually ur own wizard opper
[00:42] <Parrot> ppl logging off with bank
[00:42] <Parrot> thats how fam banks fail
[00:42] <Parrot> ppl like nolio logging off with bank
[00:42] <Parrot> best way to fix that is if a person that happen to log off with everything u send them. when u send try to send
  them less than what they require
[00:43] <Parrot> so what happens is they ask for more
[00:43] <Parrot> then u try to ask for approx amount and just send them that
[00:43] <Parrot> the person who regularly hold the fam bank should not log off with bank.
[00:44] <Parrot> ankers etc getting bored of playing ie irritated that they don't build that often
[00:44] <Parrot> bankers etc getting bored of playing ie irritated that they don't build that often
[00:45] <Parrot> thats why all ur player should have initiative
[00:45] <OrBit> right, lets talk teams
[00:45] <OrBit> attack/bank pairs
[00:45] <OrBit> or can be more then one of each
[00:46] <OrBit> teams were ditched because the fam bank seemed to work better
[00:46] <Parrot> 1 of my fav set up is 4 man 2 banker 1 resourcer 1 attacker
[00:46] <OrBit> but teams dont have to fail
[00:46] <Parrot> so when is a team a prefered method to fam bank which is 1 big team?
[00:47] <LuStEr> Killer Theraphosa BoXaBaX 1671713gc 196
[00:47] <LuStEr> hes a banker
[00:47] <Parrot> wrong chat
[00:47] <Parrot> nurd
[00:47] <LuStEr> sorrry
[00:47] <Parrot> ok lemme rephrase
[00:47] <LuStEr> to in to guide have to post attaks
[00:47] <Parrot> when are smaller teams better than 1 big team
[00:48] <Lyndira> generally speaking teams are better if you don