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first of all there is no "right" for an uprising against a national government. the international system of nations is called the "westphalian system", dated back to the peace of M

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WTF?

You're inferring a Westphalia International System from the Peace of Westphalia, which ended the 30 years war in 1648? What are you on? The 30 years war did not set a new model for an international system, rather it reset the balance of power in Europe. That's all it did. Now stfu.

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> Justinian I wrote:

> WTF?

You're inferring a Westphalia International System from the Peace of Westphalia, which ended the 30 years war in 1648? What are you on? The 30 years war did not set a new model for an international system, rather it reset the balance of power in Europe.


The Westphalian Peace set a new balance of power for europe, that is right. But the peace contained elements and definitions for the idea of nations. From the point of view of 1648 europe was the international system. France, Spain, Sweden, Austria and Brandenburg (and 150 other minor states) signed the peace or in the case of the ongoing war between France and Spain accepted the terms. Of course the Westphalian system developed after time, but the system started 1648. After that the terms of the peace were part of the scientific debates and constutional law advanced it step by step. In the same time Spain, France, Portugal and England colonized the world and exported these ideas around the world. so the westphalian system was expanded around the world, of course it was enhanced but the roots are the same.

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That makes no sense X(

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It makes perfect sense!  You just don't understand it!  tongue

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32 Reply by avogadro (edited by avogadro 28-May-2009 08:27:51)

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"believe is justified for a group of people to ask for a separate state?"

it is justified for a group of people to ask for a separate state when they believe thats whats best for them.

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In the U.S. civil war, was the south justified in it declaring itself a separate state?"

yes

"Was the U.S. justified in declaring itself an independant state in the Revolutionary war?"

yes

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Was India justified in declaring itself a separate state from Britain?"

yes

"And is violence aloud when your cause is justified "

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> Firewing wrote:

The Westphalian Peace set a new balance of power for europe, that is right. But the peace contained elements and definitions for the idea of nations. From the point of view of 1648 europe was the international system. France, Spain, Sweden, Austria and Brandenburg (and 150 other minor states) signed the peace or in the case of the ongoing war between France and Spain accepted the terms. Of course the Westphalian system developed after time, but the system started 1648. After that the terms of the peace were part of the scientific debates and constutional law advanced it step by step. In the same time Spain, France, Portugal and England colonized the world and exported these ideas around the world. so the westphalian system was expanded around the world, of course it was enhanced but the roots are the same.>

Ok let me get this straight. You believe that the Peace of Westphalia created the idea of the nation-state? I disagree. I think it had nothing to do with the idea of nation-states, and back then the people identified with their local village rather than their "country."

If you want to cite a war that's responsible for causing European nationalism and the idea of the nation-state, I would cite the Dutch Revolutions and the Napoleonic Wars.

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I'm still wondering what this has to do with the subject.  Suddenly, it's making cookie window nanotechnology make sense!  tongue

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lol!

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36 Reply by BiefstukFriet (edited by BiefstukFriet 29-May-2009 19:32:31)

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"So when do you, IC boards, believe is justified for a group of people to ask for a separate state?"


I do not think it is justified not << always >>. If for instance Morrocans would declare their own state withing the Kingdom (of the Netherlands)  then I would personally  start slitting any olive coloured throat I came across.

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wait till their numbers are large enough...and GL.

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>> first of all there is no "right" for an uprising against a national government.

I stopped reading here.

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