Topic: Separate Religion from the State

I get very annoyed by crack pot politicians who believe that political decisions should be motivated by religion, and there should be school prayer and creationism taught. The fact is, is that costly outcomes happen when idiots make decisions that aren't backed by evidence or experience. If that isn't the single reason why religious fanatics in the Republican Party shouldn't stfu, another is that imposing religion in public life is a violation of minority rights. While there's nothing wrong with celebrating christmas, it creates an uncomfortable social atmosphere when christian symbols and prayer are imposed on the public. With the status quo, minorities and the majority are able to live with relative comfort.

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I agree for almost 100%

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yes, political decisions shouldnt be motivated by religion, that means no laws against, things that cant be proven wrong, like murder....

5 (edited by Chris_Balsz 06-May-2009 15:53:00)

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Whatever. You guys still cling to judeochristian myths like the sanctity of contract and warranty of merchandise and personal liabilty.

I mean if you paid me $50 for a radio, you actually expect me to give you a radio or $50 back. Based on what? In the real world you can make $100 selling that radio twice. By what right do you rob me of half the sales price?

And if I gave you that radio and it blew up and you went blind, would you have the maturity to accept karma?  Or would you blame ME for your life, and trespass on my property to yell at me about it?

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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It's called economics noob. Cultures without christian influence have independently come to similar concepts.

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if you don't like a person for their beliefs don't vote for them. By trying to tell people that they shouldn't use their personal beliefs as moral judgments in the political process you are no better than those who want to impose their religious beliefs onto others. A real catch-22 you got there. ^.^

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8 (edited by Justinian I 06-May-2009 16:28:27)

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> Lizon wrote:

> if you don't like a person for their beliefs don't vote for them. By trying to tell people that they shouldn't use their personal beliefs as moral judgments in the political process you are no better than those who want to impose their religious beliefs onto others. A real catch-22 you got there. ^.^>

No offense, but you are only expressing emotional disapproval. Second, the content of your post is vague and not empirically testable.

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That was intentional you know tongue

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The Yell, after doing that trick a few times, noone would buy from you ever again.

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> Justinian I wrote:

> I get very annoyed by crack pot politicians who believe that political decisions should be motivated by religion, and there should be school prayer and creationism taught. The fact is, is that costly outcomes happen when idiots make decisions that aren't backed by evidence or experience. If that isn't the single reason why religious fanatics in the Republican Party shouldn't stfu, another is that imposing religion in public life is a violation of minority rights. While there's nothing wrong with celebrating christmas, it creates an uncomfortable social atmosphere when christian symbols and prayer are imposed on the public. With the status quo, minorities and the majority are able to live with relative comfort.

Agreed. What really gets me annoyed, prayer and religion class aside (never bothered with that crap) is when these sanctimonious politicians want to impose their morals on others with laws against prostitution, cigaratte taxes, and laws dictating where you can drink alcohol. It's always a laugh too when one of these  "Let's clean things up! Tough on crime." morons like Spitzer gets caught.

12 (edited by Econ 06-May-2009 18:04:18)

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omg the religious nutters are missing the point COMPLETELY.

avo again needs religion or the bible or God to tell him that murder is wrong. Apparently he has such low opinion of all humans that without this all powerful fantasy man guidance, we would not be able to figure out for ourselves that murder is wrong. Pathetic.

The same goes for Balsz and his lovely $50 radio, except that his example is less extreme.

Almost the same for Lizon. As I said somewhere in my massive religion thread, saying that you need to rely on an invisible man to define your morals and course of action is extremely delusional. If I was in a position of serious authority, then I certainly dont need a book or an invisible guy in the sky to tell me which course of action to take.

In my day-to-day job and projects, if I went to the lord for motivation on how to act, I'd be fired. I know what the objectives of the project are, and I have to meet them without hurting anyone or screwing up the environment. An imaginary guy that no one has ever seen providing guidance for someone in my job, the captain of a nuclear-weapon armed submarine, or a polititian, is completely bonkers.

Gondor: wtf, im not even mentioned. I was the glue to this family. Thats BS!
Econ: Gondor, if you were the glue, then I was the glue sticky thing that applies the glue.
(edit: I believe that's called the brush).
Torqez: Econ you forgot the part where you say "and I made Torqez delete!"

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> Lizon wrote:

> if you don't like a person for their beliefs don't vote for them. By trying to tell people that they shouldn't use their personal beliefs as moral judgments in the political process you are no better than those who want to impose their religious beliefs onto others. A real catch-22 you got there. ^.^

I don't unless I have to.