Topic: U.S. Tax System Explained in Beer

(a system I can understand)


Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100.
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers,' he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. 'Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers?How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28% savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 ( 22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
'I only got a dollar out of the $20,' declared the sixth man.
He pointed to the tenth man,' but he got $10! "Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man.
'I only saved a dollar, too.. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I! "That's true!!' shouted the seventh man.
'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two?
The wealthy get all the breaks!
"Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!
'The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.The next night the tenth man ( the richest) didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.Professor of Economics University of  Georgia

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.


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This was from some Georgia Economic Professor... I take no credit for this.

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

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did you hear about Warren Buffet's challenge?  He said he'd give any millionaire a few million dollars if they could prove that they pay more taxes than their secretaries.

....So far, nobody has won the money.

> Justinian I wrote:
> Ouro,
Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.

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What if the atmosphere overseas isn't all that friendly? It's funny how the ghost of dissapearing wealth always comes up when the threat of higher taxes is on the horizon. Where are they gonna, China, India? If you want to support corruption, then sure. If you want to make the world a better place and contribute to it, stay and support and it.

That professor is a bonehead, sorry tongue

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@Genesis

"Complete vitae available online. Contrary to Internet folklore, Dr. Kamerschen is NOT the author of "Tax Cuts: A Simple Lesson in Economics." Additionally, he does NOT know who wrote it. "

he didn't write it wink

btw that text its over 7 years old...
http://www.snopes.com/business/taxes/howtaxes.asp

Tobi

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hahahahah, man that was easy.  and i quote AC/DC "shot down in flames!"

> Justinian I wrote:
> Ouro,
Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.

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"did you hear about Warren Buffet's challenge?  He said he'd give any millionaire a few million dollars if they could prove that they pay more taxes than their secretaries.

....So far, nobody has won the money."

Warren Buffett is getting some feedback from his billionaire club colleagues to his million-dollar tax challenge, and it's not all that positive.

In an interview with NBC's Tom Brokaw that aired last week, Buffett took his "I'm not paying enough in taxes, and neither are my fellow billionaires" campaign to a new level, highlighting his contention that he pays a lower tax rate than all of his office employees.

UPDATE: BUFFETT TO TESTIFY ON ESTATE TAXES TO CONGRESS NEXT WEEK

He told Brokaw: "I'll bet a million dollars against any member of the Forbes 400 who challenges me that the average (federal tax rate including income and payroll taxes) for the Forbes 400 will be less than the average of their receptionists."  (You can see and read the whole conversation in the aptly-named WBW Post Warren Buffett and NBC's Tom Brokaw: The Complete Interview.)

In its new issue just out, Forbes quotes an email message it received from Buffett (#2 with $52 billion):

"So far only three close friends, all 400 members, have made the calculation for me.  They all came up with results similar to mine but have no interest in being identified."

Forbes says it "couldn't pin down many other Forbes 400 members to a real million-dollar wager" but did get some quotes from the likes of Mark Cuban (#161 with $2.6 billion), George Kaiser (#26 with $11 billion) and John Catsimatidis (Tied at #220 with $2.1 billion).

Several argued that Buffett isn't taking estate taxes into account.  Casino owner Phillip Ruffin (Tied at #220 with $2.1 billion) told Forbes, "He is forgetting about the 55% estate tax at death that goes along with making the money.  Maybe he is getting senile?"  While not interested in the million-dollar challenge, Ruffin did say he'd play Buffett in poker.

And B. Thomas Glissando (Tied at #239 with $2 billion) brought out the often-heard argument that while the very rich may pay lower tax rates, they're carrying most of the burden when taxes are measured in dollars:

"There are some facts I'd like to remind Mr. Buffet of. The top 1% of earners in this country pay 30% of the income taxes, and the top 5% pay 50% of the income taxes. Other than that, I don't think he's crazy."
http://www.cnbc.com/id/21708265/

some points

1.  Buffet was aiming at people with a net worth of billions, not people earning a million dollars a year.
2.  People with a net worth of billions do not get lots of cash.  They tend to get paid with shares of ownership in other companies.  The companies do things like issue Mr. Moneybags a corporate credit card.
3.  The point of the income tax, supposedly, is to tax incomes, not erode a guy's life assets on the grounds he's too far ahead.  St. Francis took off his own rich robes and went around ass naked because he felt ashamed at being rich.  Warren Buffet won't feel good until he's in a roomful of bareass billionaires with armed guards preventing them from getting a new wardrobe-- for taht is what the tax code is, armed force.
4.  If anybody took $3,000,000 in cash from Warren buffet on a wager, tehy'd have to notify the federal govt of the transfer, then pay out 35% federal tax, and report the $3 million income several years running on their tax return.  What the states do, I dunno, probably another 10%.

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federal tax, capital gains tax, all that good jazz. or buffet could just hand it to them, i'm sure he wouldnt but its totally possible to do so without uncle sam ever knowing a damn thing.  but i really do like that point about paying for it down the road, i didnt think of it and like that you brought it to my attention.  i like how you know that the income tax is only around because the government has armed thugs to enforce it, looks like we're on similar ground there.  point is, even if the challenge was a tax free one, would anyone be able to honestly claim it? probably not.

> Justinian I wrote:
> Ouro,
Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.

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"did you hear about Warren Buffet's challenge?  He said he'd give any millionaire a few million dollars if they could prove that they pay more taxes than their secretaries.

....So far, nobody has won the money."

nope, he said a higher income rate, not higher taxes; they obviously pay more taxes.

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Nice one Nai

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Old one... but still funny.  smile

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hahaha

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yeah congrats for the good post Nai big_smile

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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i dont get it. are they all drinking just 1 beer? who goes to a bar for just 1 beer? if not just 1 beer, why dont they look at who is consuming the majority of the beer when looking at who should be paying the most?

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It's not otherwise-specified so your presumption that they drink different amounts of beer just because they make different amounts of money is just RACIST!

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avogrado, ofcourse the poor always use more of the government's resources. but they pay the least in taxes. but it cannot be said in this scenario that the poor drink more beer.

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"but it cannot be said in this scenario that the poor drink more beer."

why's that?

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Unless you have something to base it on, you're just making it up.

I KNOW! You should run for office!!

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