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Re: US should militarily intervene in South America

Kuwait/Iraq - it was not only that, after all. If Kuwait was invaded and nobody did anything, this would have created tensions between Iraq and its neighbors, which might have resulted in a "pre-emptive" strike from them. In the most oil-rich region on Earth.

Vietnam - there is the idea of trying to stop communist influence. And there is the burning of villages, with soldiers killed and wounded. The desire to do the first caused the second.

Korea, Vietnam, Cuban Missile crisis - all military conflicts during the Cold war. Was it these conflicts that you were talking about - or the Cold War itself? Once you accept the Cold war, you had to send military to these conflict zones. Now, the fact that every president presided over at least one conflict is kind of scary actually... but yeah.

And the USA did not send much military to Yugoslavia: except for some fighters, where a couple of them got shot down. During the conflict with Milochevic the air force did run out of bombs.

The US military is using up tremendous amounts of money - and dont forget the intelligence services too. But that is still within - uhhhh - maybe 5% of the GNP?

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Why bother going through the channels of the UN anyway? Just blow the bastard up already, he's been eyeing my colonies.

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If US malitarily intervenes in South America, they will have their asses kicked big time. Get your economy together if you want to have a say in South America.

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Big wars = good economy. Ex. WWII


"Vietnam - there is the idea of trying to stop communist influence. And there is the burning of villages, with soldiers killed and wounded. The desire to do the first caused the second. "

France started it. Yay for the US stepping in and having to deal with the mess. Once again we have to deal with France's issues.


I'm all for Isolationism. Screw all of you other countries. The UN is a failed concept. Yeah lets use the UN to complain about Russia when they invade someone, too bad nothing will happen since Russia is a permanent member and vetos anything against them or anything they aren't going to get advantages out of.

Isolationism will let us deal with our own problems, and then I can listen to everyone post about how the US doesn't do this or doesn't do that. Amazing that 90% or more of the threads in the politics have to do with the US. Is there nothing interesting in other countries or are they just too pathetic. Im going with pathetic since the US has to do almost everything for the UN when it comes to peace keeping.

Let the flames begin euro trash!

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and again another post with a lot of ego and only a lil saying which is realistic.
maybe thats one reason why so many threads end up in US bashing...
at some time in a debate.. allways some american comes in and prooves purest ignorance.

A country which brags itsself with having the mightiest military... being only super power.. just has to live with carrying a lot of burdens.
Other Countries are active in peacekeeping missions too a lot.. maybe you just dont want to realize that because u WANT the US to be carrying it all alone so you can brag about it even more.

Do u think "being good for the economy" justifies 40 million dead? (speaking of WW II).

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Well I don't think starting WWIII is a good idea.

But I am saying that the US has an empire, and if there is a revolt we should crush it.

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so u finally agree that US foreign politics is imperialistic?

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58 Reply by Justinian I (edited by Justinian I 21-Oct-2008 09:46:31)

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I always thought it was. Since when was the most powerful nation on earth not an empire?

But I do not agree with being aggressive and creating tensions with Russia/China by trying to extend our military presence in Eastern Europe and the Middle East, rather we should use diplomacy and try to cooperate.

But we should get aggressive with the South Americans, assuming other diplomatic needs are met, to reassert our power in order restore a global balance of power. For example, if Henry Kissinger did not support the removal of the communist Chilean government, it would have been very bad by giving the Russians a foothold in our back yard. Only this time we are doing nothing about it.

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simply because a nation is the most powerful on Earth does not make it an empire.  Also, there is nothing to support the belief that our reactions to current events represent an imperialistic policy.  The United States is an assertive superpower.... the last superpower actually.  the better way to view the current world situation is that the US is the world police.  We essentially dominate the Earth without even using military power.  We lead the way in economic and social trends.  we lead the way in commerce and growth.  However every other country in the world can consider itself sovereign and does not have to follow those trends set by the US, but they still choose to follow.  those countries that choose to avoid US influence turn into the armpits of the world (N. Korea, Cuba). 

so yes the United States is the dominate force in every asspect of world life.  but they were chosen to be that dominate force.

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60 Reply by Justinian I (edited by Justinian I 21-Oct-2008 17:31:26)

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Huh?

We conquered the Indian tribes, once had a colony in Liberia, annexed parts of Mexico and the dying Spanish Empire, and we conquered Hawaii. We also exercise our political influence for our own benefit.

How is that not imperialistic?

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"maybe thats one reason why so many threads end up in US bashing..."

Most threads start off as bashing the US.



"Do u think "being good for the economy" justifies 40 million dead? (speaking of WW II)."

Hitler had great ideas, extermination of the Jews just went a bit too far.


"allways some american comes in and prooves purest ignorance."

Its not ignorant to hate every one of you non-American posters. You complain if the US does something, yet if they dont do something you complain as well. Basically youre going to post nonsense about the US no matter what we do.

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"In summary, these events will be detrimental to the US unless we stop toying with the middle east and address real problems, like the ones in our back yard. Not only will it harm the US, but it will realign the global balance of power in a very not so cool way. The US must act. The US must"

what makes you think it's all so bad and that someone (in the whitehouse) didnt think about South Am ?

till the end of time..

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You forgot (to invade) Poland

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" We essentially dominate the Earth without even using military power.  We lead the way in economic and social trends.  we lead the way in commerce and growth.  However every other country in the world can consider itself sovereign and does not have to follow those trends set by the US, but they still choose to follow.  those countries that choose to avoid US influence turn into the armpits of the world (N. Korea, Cuba).  "

OMG yikes could you be anymore up your own arse

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nah, he'd have to throw himself up then

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it's still true.  the United States is the leader of the world.

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A leader inspires others to follow his example, listen to him and do as he says.

This is not the case with the world. The world does NOT do as the USA says. Or well, to be fair, as Bush says or as McCain will say. Maybe with Obama the USA will be world leader again but now it's more like world's failing self imposed police officer everyone's making fun of.

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No, the world only does as you say when the world fears you. The world doesn't care about you when you are loved, because the world can always backstab you. On the other hand, the world does not fear Bush because he's so noob that he entangles our forces in other countries.

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^ wtf? how old are you kid.

> Justinian I wrote:
> Ouro,
Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.

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the United States is still the dominate country of the world.  It can't be denied.  what goes on in the United States affects the rest of the world DRAMATICALLY

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71 Reply by Justinian I (edited by Justinian I 27-Oct-2008 09:54:55)

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I'm 21, thanks. In a few months I'll be 22.

Soth,

You mean the US is still the dominant country in the world, not the world is the dominant country in the world.

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oh same age as me, 22 in one week. lets get wasted

> Justinian I wrote:
> Ouro,
Even though you were the first one to arrive at the scene who clearly pwned Einstein and showed how biased he is, you are an outright arsehole.

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the US is only strong when something has to be blown up. hit&run is the US-tactic since the vietnam war. hit&hold is always a disaster since the end of WW II. since than the US were never able to mobilize their nation for a total war effort.
the US leadership always followed the principles of economic prosperity, democracy and human rights. the US lost all these priniciples over the years.
"democracy" was lost in the cold war by supporting "western" dictators (e. g. Saddam Hussein) against "eastern" dictators. the final chapter was reached 2001 when Bush became president by the decision of the courts.
"human rights" were lost after 9/11: e. g. Guantanamo, Abu Ghuraib (torture prision in iraq), or the anti-terror laws in the US.
"economic prosperity" losing atm.
no empire lasted forever and even the US are just a short footnote in human history.

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"oh same age as me, 22 in one week. lets get wasted"

im also 21, turn 22 in Feb; but yeah, lets go get wasted!!!

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Lol. Oh I plan to have mad fun at the bars on Halloween. Sadly you're all far away from me.

Soth, want to come with?

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