Topic: Complaining about being attacked

So I want to bring up a concern about complaining fams for being attacked.

I understand it's never fun to be attacked, especially not when it's a bigger fam with more means to break your successful, but I feel nowadays people forget that this is a war game.
A small fam, makes one player big, with tons of planets explored close to the bigs fam (rather sizable) core. Obviously that is an interesting target. The big fam attacks the close planets, and the planets explored even in their core. Go this path as a big fam, and you can count on a bunch of flaming messages. Threats they take you down in another galaxy. Being accused of being the reason players delete and quit the game. You're a big farmer all of a sudden.

If a big fam offers a NAP and you do not take it, you need to accept the consequence of that decision and realize that leaves you as a target.

I was raided down two rounds ago, from being one of the biggest players in the galaxy to a handful of planets. I didn't blame the big fam. I was an easy target. Every fam contending for the win needs to secure their core, and try to secure the (size) win.

Raids and farming are part of the game. If a new players joins your fam, you should prepare them for the dirty side of the game.

And if you're the target of raid, swallow it, bounce back and get revenge, but get your revenge in the same round same galaxy, or get your fair revenge in the next round by showing them who's boss. But stop being a sorry little kid when it happens.

Re: Complaining about being attacked

*grabs bag of popcorn and waits*

I might play this game, but I have more of a life than you

Re: Complaining about being attacked

Hathir wrote:

*grabs bag of popcorn and waits*

You can sit next to me, I did the same thing tongue after I clicked 'submit'

Re: Complaining about being attacked

Personally, I've always felt IC is more of an economy management game, not a war game.  I kind of hate it when people use 'this is a war game' to win an argument or make a point.  I don't even know what that means.

smile

Re: Complaining about being attacked

missin wrote:

Personally, I've always felt IC is more of an economy management game, not a war game.  I kind of hate it when people use 'this is a war game' to win an argument or make a point.  I don't even know what that means.
smile

Economy Management Game where the win is decided by who owns the most planets at the end of the run. Sucks that you can only win the econ mgmt game by taking planets of others... sad

Re: Complaining about being attacked

*stirs things up a bit*

Surely if you wanted to play an economy management game you'd go and play Farmville or Roller Coaster Tycoon or some other similar non-conflict game

I might play this game, but I have more of a life than you

Re: Complaining about being attacked

I didn't say it was a non-conflict game, I implied the economy management aspect of the game is more significant than the conflict aspect.

Re: Complaining about being attacked

Hathir wrote:

*grabs bag of popcorn and waits*

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Re: Complaining about being attacked

It is both, and part of managing your economy is the defense budget of being set up to avoid those attacks. Does it suck to be clawing your way out of the gutter in a half inactive family only to be totally destroyed by the top one or two families? Absolutely, but that is where you need to find alternate ways of gaining planets / value / fun.

With the way that MW is setup now, I think economy is a much larger factor than war, but there are still plenty of opportunities to raid, especially into some of the less active families. But yeah, getting farmed is the way the world works, sometimes you have to deal with it and try to do the best you can at being annoying and not making worth their time.

"What is there to look forward to in life?"
Death thought about it for a minute and finally said,
"Cats. Cats are Nice" - Terry Pratchitt

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I agree Hala.

IC has a strong culture of shaming players for doing well.  There are enough restrictions in place (morale, protection mode, size percentage attack restrictions) yet despite this players still risk being seen as some heinous monster if they dare attack a smaller player or family, let alone actually win such a battle.

It's ridiculous.  In fact, I think the restrictions are part of the problem.  For years things like morale have trained players to think that "fairness" is an entitlement, when really what it is doing is forcing a false equilibrium on the game.

The debate about "honor" goes back to IC's early days, and will always be something players pull out when they're on the losing side of a battle.  There is of course merit to the idea that more skilled players attack up and not down, but I think people tend to take this concept a little too far.

I do think more, smaller, faster, and more diverse galaxies would help alleviate this.  Right now there is so much riding on a 6 week round that losing a game is way more devastating than it should be.  If players had more recourse to try again sooner I think we'd see less blood boiling.

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Re: Complaining about being attacked

To be honest the situation, that's he is referring, was silly and could have been avoided,
my team 45 smash bros, yes a powerhouse, in the galaxy, anyone who looks, should be afraid.
47, a somewhat strong team, made lots of ressie, seemed to have lacked bankers, or prob proper leadership.

us 45, we left this team alone this whole time, only clear a couple far off e ships they send our way. in contact with their leader somewhat, let him know, to expand the other way, and leave our system alone and will be no problems.
they attack us, couple times, we retake no big deal. time goes on, again, swagga was worried, I assured him he had enough systems to grow his team strong into 1000 planets easy. stay out of our space.
something went down... while I was sleeping one night.

pickachu and swagga began to fight, not sure who started it, but swagga lose 3 portals.   and he decalred war on us.

when I awoke, noticing war. I sabbataged, swagga 8-10 closest ports. for protection.

day goes by, we take out swagga spread. and our cammar, portal shared with their bankers.

instead of destroying them, we offer a nap for planets, instead of the heavy loss of planets,

their one banker was keen on  agreeing, to payment.




W37, Y2844
GiantZ of Count Dooku (#4047)


I'm keen for that to happen.


Have you had anything back from Mace?


W36, Y2844
Armor of Samus (#4045)


No need to farm u guys down. If u want you can explore 88 planets for us. And we can have a NAP

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remember messages are in revervse.

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but swagga was nowhere to be seen,


swagga gets on long time later, and says no to pika for nap, and starts attacks again.

so we target the top ressie on the team.

in the middle of this all, some player who we didn't even attack on their team deleted...

we target the ressie, and take half his planets. as nap payment was refused,



W4, Y2845
Armor of Samus (#4045)


Sorry I guess I miss the I'm a new player tag. Smax was like top 3 top 4 in most all ressie. He was a target. His fault for not building any fleet.


I'm an attacker. I attack u declare war my job to to take planets in a war game. We offer simple way for peace. And leave you be for long time now.
2 days of e ships is nothing.you have them stocked. Just explore for us and we can give u back ones in ur core.


W3, Y2845
Big1 of Chewbacca (#4047)


88 planets is almost 20% of the family plant count that's pathetic asking for any planets at all when you already have the win you know as well as me is really pathetic that's okay you should be proud you made new player delete maybe another one's getting ready to so be proud


W3, Y2845
Armor of Samus (#4045)


We ask for 88 planets. That's two days of e ships for peace.


W3, Y2845
Big1 of Chewbacca (#4047)


really pathetic now you're attacking another new player kind of inactive really showing your skill you guys really should be proud


W3, Y2845
Big1 of Chewbacca (#4047)


100 plants is pathetic when you're the top family why even ask for planets for a nap you're going to win the round anyway just be proud that's all I can say make a new players delete


W2, Y2845
Armor of Samus (#4045)


I woke up one morning and u guys declared war. So I sabbed ur attackers portals. We gained the sgares. And asked for a fair nap payment. And ur banker agreed but swagga didn't apparently. So u choose ur fate


W2, Y2845
Big1 of Chewbacca (#4047)


Yes he may be a moron.but you did started ataking us out of nowhere don't say you didn't I just looked back to the news like I said it's okay be proud making new players delete


W2, Y2845
Armor of Samus (#4045)


No I never attacked u. U guys attack us and declares war .... I told ur leader this whole round just stay out of our core and we have no problems. Ur leader swagga is a moron.


W2, Y2845
Big1 of Chewbacca (#4047)


you've already won the round you just start attacking this small family for nothing causing new players to delete you should really be proud


W1, Y2845
Armor of Samus (#4045)


Lol we never even attack him maybe ur dumb leader should have taken nap offer.

U guys declared war on us we left u peacefully to eco in a 1000 + planets

Dont blame us for ur own mistakes


W1, Y2845
Big1 of Chewbacca (#4047)


Good job you got one of the new players to delete ..their really was not a good thing of you and your family you already have the round won.so now your just trying to get all the new players to delete good job be proud

12 (edited by Processor VX 27-Mar-2017 17:13:43)

Re: Complaining about being attacked

I was smax in 4047.

A nap should have been made. I don't blame you for attacking me (smax) and taking half my planets. Leader made a crappy decision to war on little to no notice (and I had mentioned I would be away all weekend), then apparently a  crappy decision to refuse NAP. I deleted as I did not see the fam going anywhere w/ that sort of decision making as I felt 88 planet nap was pretty fair.

4045 really shouldn't be vilified here. 4047 made bad decisions and got spanked for it.

mbvX, jamjam, nobody, smax

Re: Complaining about being attacked

And I was not specifically talking about any fam, but more the trend of these kind of messages being send more and more often (true that this situation triggered the post - happy to see the new player was not so new after all tongue).

Re: Complaining about being attacked

I am a complainer... About this stuff.. It sucks if you go attack a big fish and someone suddently starts attacking you because you are low.. Vulturing we called that in the old days. Or in MW this round. I was in 51, great start! Suddently 3 people stop playing and you ask people to wait a bit to reorgenice the fam so you can get a good fight. Instead of beating a fam who is already down.

IC in my eyes is about honour and good fights! Dont pick a little guy, get the one who is on top!

I would like to say: Lets make IC great again!! And send those vultures to there own countrys!

Love and kisses <3

Re: Complaining about being attacked

But a fight is by definition between a bigger one and a smaller one right?

A small fam shouldn't make someone such an easy target. Small fam with one big player is like a banoffee pie to a big fam.
Low on defenses, high on planets to save to moral. Awesome!

If you're small, be smart.

Re: Complaining about being attacked

Hala wrote:

But a fight is by definition between a bigger one and a smaller one right?

A small fam shouldn't make someone such an easy target. Small fam with one big player is like a banoffee pie to a big fam.
Low on defenses, high on planets to save to moral. Awesome!

If you're small, be smart.


I think the number 1 can attack the numer 2, the rest should attack above them. But thats me..
Some people just aint smart.

If a fam is number 1 and has no defences thats just very nice. And then its fighting for honor!

There is just no honor to feed from the weak.. Thats capitalisme. If your on the top its fun, but will get very lonley and boring right?

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So the #1 should beat up #2, untill #2 is #3, only then they can attack the new #2... and so fort?

How does that make any sense? So if #2 is on the other side of the galaxy, nowhere near the #1, and some idiot fam explores all over the systems of the #1 fam, they should leave it be? Because god forbid they take those 20 planets... I'll promise you flaming messages will come and probably a forum post about the greedy vultures of the #1.

Re: Complaining about being attacked

Its everybody right to delete.
Makes a post in uni just to make them self feel better.

kinda the way I took it pie  said honor was in the past I don't believe honor should be lost just to win a game but some people believe winning takes priorities over values if you feel you need to attack the family into Bolivian because it makes you feel proud there's no parameters that stop this in IC. I feel it will be the end of IC  because it don't promote getting new players and giving him time to learn the game not the beginning and as you look IC was huge in the past in the direction it's going it could very well fell promoting no honor so new players has no reason to join without having time to learn and grow with the game but oh well just an old vets opinion.I've been the family attacking I've been the family being attacked and in any case when I'm attacking family and I took 30% of the family planets I don't turn around and then ask for another 20% of the planets no matter who the leader is.
I suppose I can't ask all new players to change their life Direction if they play Imperial conflict with no honor obviously they have none in life as well just an old vets ramblings

RICKING

Re: Complaining about being attacked

There is in fact a difference in "being attacked" and "being blown into oblivion and then asked to surrender more than you have left"

"What is there to look forward to in life?"
Death thought about it for a minute and finally said,
"Cats. Cats are Nice" - Terry Pratchitt

Re: Complaining about being attacked

Caranthir Linwelin wrote:

There is in fact a difference in "being attacked" and "being blown into oblivion and then asked to surrender more than you have left"

And add "being punished for waking a sleeping dog"

If you start attacking a bigger fam while you are unprepared for a fight, you can be sure to loose a shitload of planets.
You just made yourself a sweet pie target

Re: Complaining about being attacked

well voicing your opinion makes you a Target then so be it i have honor  Imperial conflict and life and I stand by what I said very pathetic far as I see it attacking a family into Bolivian oh well sometimes it comes back to haunt even the bigger family a little I will just keep their Bankers under my spells as long as I can very simple

RICKING

Re: Complaining about being attacked

Sometimes you need to stand up for what you believe in, even when you know you can lose.
I stood up. I fought. I lost this one. Crap happens sometimes.
What I don't understand is I surrendered days ago but 45 is still attacking or should I say raping?
What's the excuse or reasoning for the continued attacks?
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W46, Y2845
Illmatic of Mace Windu (#4047)




yes we will pnap you, but we are not expoing anything for you. you took enough.



W35, Y2845
Thunder Bolt of Pikachu (#4045)




So you want to NAP now?



W34, Y2845
Illmatic of Mace Windu (#4047)




we surrender



























W4, Y2845
Thunder Bolt of Pikachu (#4045)




We will nap you if you guys explore 80 for us.. took off 8 since a guy deleted.

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Swagga
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Re: Complaining about being attacked

You learn more when you take a beating

"It's very quiet on the political arena. I wish someone would stir up some trouble!"

24 (edited by Swagga 01-Apr-2017 20:05:14)

Re: Complaining about being attacked

I learn revenge. My fam members learn to quit. You learn to be funny.
2 out of 3 ain't bad.
See ya next round cool

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"You know I'm Swagga right?
Swagga
The name that strikes FEAR in your enemies....."

Re: Complaining about being attacked

I think the thing you all are forgetting that one of the main parts of the game is diplomacy, probably the most important part, not just war, not just eco, not  a even those 2 together, I have seen so much poor Diplo in the last few rounds I played, too many heated exchanges and moaning.
If you're getting your ass whooped, offer a nap, maybe you gotta pay 88 wink planets, so be it, pay up, regroup and move on.
People say farming or vulturing or whatever is a game/round killer, but I believe poor Diplo is, always with the "stfu I'll ruin you round, or op you til eor" grudge match bs, what you seem to forget is that you are pretty likely to land with one of these people you fight with in another round.

ATM it's like 1 half of the community vs the other half (ish)
How is this going to help fill a gal full of competitive fams if nobody wants to play together, this is another reason for 2 or 3 fams dominating a gal and then the smaller fams getting hit, it gets boring just fighting a couple of people all round, you also learn more being put in different situations.


Not sure I'm on topic here tongue just said some stuff that I made from my brain....share that popcorn round hala u boob big_smile

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