Topic: The dome of the rock is on the wrong spot :) ;) :p

The jews can now build their new temple.
what has bin thought to be the temple location is wrong.
the wailing wall was all ways thought to be a part of the Jewish
temple.  Everyone has egnored the fact that
The Bible says that not one stone would be left standing.
the wailing wall has  a lot of stones standing on each other.
more on this subject later.

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lol, this should be stupidly interesting, please continue.

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3 (edited by izard 01-Jul-2015 19:39:01)

Re: The dome of the rock is on the wrong spot :) ;) :p

I know what this sounds like , because we have bin
told that this is the location of the  temple.
now think about it.
The temple was destroyed around 70 ad.
most of the jews were scattered throughout the known
would.
Over a millennia later Christians free Jerusalem from the
muslim.
the Christions build a church  on the  spot wre the dom of the rock is today.
Now im sure if the jews that were in Jerusalem at that time
would not tell the Christions of the true location.  The Jews
would not want the Christions building a church on the
temple sight.
The muslims retake Jerusalem and build the dome of the rock
there  thinking  it is the location of the Hebrew temple.
   The true sight of the  Hebrew temple has bin hidden
until the  proper time for the temple rebuilding.  That is
the reason for its utter destruction.  Not one stone left
upon the other.
the Christions built their church over top an old Roman
fort most likley the 10 legon.   The muslims built their dome of the rock over the Christions church..
   I think this is a good example of mans wisdom. We all
runn around fighting over the wrong spot.

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Re: The dome of the rock is on the wrong spot :) ;) :p

I would built the world's biggest statue of a shoe and call it "The Foot of The Yell" and say my foot stomped on Jerusalem

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*me does some crazy talk trying to fit in*
Am I right?

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Re: The dome of the rock is on the wrong spot :) ;) :p

It was destroyed at 70CE  when under roman empire. At that time jews are banned to enter jerusalem. Until Caliph Omar free the city at 7th century, jews then may enter the city and leave in peace. Caliph Omar himself not pray at dome of rock and build own mosque there. But somehow it then misused by crusaders also banning muslims and jews to enter.

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The use of AD and BC  is the correct way to date
years. The   C E  use in dating was brought about
by those who hate  using  AD or B C.

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CE is for posers. I got a professor really mad by pointing out that dating from Christ is only common to Christians

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Re: The dome of the rock is on the wrong spot :) ;) :p

izard wrote:

I know what this sounds like , because we have bin
told that this is the location of the  temple.
now think about it.
The temple was destroyed around 70 ad.
most of the jews were scattered throughout the known
would.
Over a millennia later Christians free Jerusalem from the
muslim.
the Christions build a church  on the  spot wre the dom of the rock is today.
Now im sure if the jews that were in Jerusalem at that time
would not tell the Christions of the true location.  The Jews
would not want the Christions building a church on the
temple sight.
The muslims retake Jerusalem and build the dome of the rock
there  thinking  it is the location of the Hebrew temple.
   The true sight of the  Hebrew temple has bin hidden
until the  proper time for the temple rebuilding.  That is
the reason for its utter destruction.  Not one stone left
upon the other.
the Christions built their church over top an old Roman
fort most likley the 10 legon.   The muslims built their dome of the rock over the Christions church..
   I think this is a good example of mans wisdom. We all
runn around fighting over the wrong spot.


That's some kind of stupid right there, you're trying to tell me that when the Jews were banned from the Holy City they also lost all their memories of where it was, and you say ALL the Jews were banned? You obviously do-not know history, many Jews were taken as slaves etc by the Romans (or whoever it was invading at the time) and were intergrated into Roman society alot of them even taking on Roman names lol. Just because there isn't proof to confirm it's exact position today does not mean it wasn't there 1000years ago or 2000years ago. Jews passed down the Torah through word of mouth for centuries, do you not think they would have done so for the holy of holys? Go read a book.

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10 (edited by 1mAnaRmY 27-Aug-2015 06:41:08)

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Egyptians, then persians, and then romans only after the great general, explorer, and conqueror marc anthony. Jews had been enslaved nearly eight hundred years all together.... starting with moses and ending with elijah de yahe (mispelling inevitable).


While egyptians incapacitated (what we know as todays Jerusalem now is 13k miles in another direction of the deli straight and red sea mind you) they were forced too build monoliths and pyramids for Egyptian pharoes... yes like those kid stories told out of the bible for those good little christian children who were sunday schooled. smile

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Re: The dome of the rock is on the wrong spot :) ;) :p

Actual jews only expanded across the globe during mid 1500's A.D. and that ended during early 1800 A.D. it forced a religious coup were the only true jews were favored if they stayed and stood their ground from beyond and forth what we know as the gaza strip and pakistan respectively... so only about 8% of hebrew jews consider themselves and other of their kin real jewish. I don't think that has too do with koshor beef... tongue

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Supposed after aregument over a promise, made by a jewish king, made too god (though Moses) and something do with were these jews died/integrated, eloped, or mixed in with people of other races, creed or religion... I believe those were the factors of wether they went to heaven/hell so all those lost in holocaust aren't actually regarded akin by there own....
sad

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lol wut? now translate wtf you wrote to English.

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Lol

Basics, with a timeline we'd call B.C. too A.D., eight hundred years in change see jews into slavery. There pop as a religion/culture expanded past 250-400 years relevant too the 20th century as is now...
Many stories written in many bibles state a jewish king made a promis too god to return him and his people to Jerusalem. The Jerusalem of today (on the map is really on the wrong side of the continent). My response to "the rock is in the wrong spot", that actual monelis could be buried under a jungle for all I know....
Moses was the person (pariah) who actually carried out that promise made too god and walked the people from (what we know today as) Egypt to someplace on the other side of the red sea (so in Mediterranean Europe.
The jewish people's suffered slavery two more times after that moment in history. But know one really knows were God's chosen birthplace of life really is... in other words "their homeland", and we coukd be Martians with wings.... but interesting theory when trying too really gauge were there garden of eve would be.geometrically in today's WORLD. smile

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Afterwards... two world wars, the invention of the television? Also a holocaust that destroyed more history than any other mathaist in history known to man kind.

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~ Genesis 15:18 declares to Abraham, “To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates.” God later confirms this promise to Abraham’s son Isaac and Isaac’s son Jacob (whose name was later changed to Israel). When the Israelites were about to invade the Promised Land, God reiterated the land promise, as recorded in Joshua 1:4, “Your territory will extend from the desert to Lebanon, and from the great river, the Euphrates—all the Hittite country—to the Great Sea on the west.”

According to Genesis 15:18 and Joshua 1:4, the land God gave to Israel included everything from the Nile River in Egypt to Lebanon (south to north) and everything from the Mediterranean Sea to the Euphrates River (west to east). So, what land has God stated belongs to Israel? All of the land modern Israel currently possesses, plus all of the land of the Palestinians (the West Bank and Gaza), plus some of Egypt and Syria, plus all of Jordan, plus some of Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Israel currently possesses only a fraction of the land God has promised.


~ The Hebrew Bible says that the First Temple was built in 957 BCE by King Solomon. According to the Book of Deuteronomy, as the sole place of Israelite sacrifice (Deuteronomy 12:2-27), the Temple replaced the Tabernacle constructed in the Sinai Desert under the auspices of Moses, as well as local sanctuaries, and altars in the hills. This temple was sacked a few decades later by Sheshonk I, Pharaoh of Egypt.

Although efforts were made at partial reconstruction, it was only in 835 BCE when Jehoash, King of Judah in the second year of his reign invested considerable sums in reconstruction, only to have it stripped again for Sennacherib, King of Assyria c. 700 BCE. The First Temple was totally destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 BCE when they sacked the city.

According to the Book of Ezra, construction of the Second Temple was authorized by Cyrus the Great and began in 538 BCE, after the fall of the Babylonian Empire the year before. It was completed 23 years later, on the third day of Adar, in the sixth year of the reign of Darius the Great (12 March 515 BCE), dedicated by the Jewish governor Zerubbabel. Despite the fact that the new temple was not as extravagant or imposing as its predecessor, it still dominated the Jerusalem skyline and remained an important structure throughout the time of Persian suzerainty. The temple narrowly avoided being destroyed again in 332 BCE when the Jews refused to acknowledge the deification of Alexander the Great of Macedonia. Alexander was allegedly “turned from his anger” at the last minute by astute diplomacy and flattery. After the death of Alexander on 13 June 323 BCE, and the dismembering of his empire, the Ptolemies came to rule over Judea and the Temple. Under the Ptolemies, the Jews were given many civil liberties and lived content under their rule. However, when the Ptolemaic army was defeated at Panium by Antiochus III of the Seleucids in 198 BCE, this policy changed. Antiochus wanted to Hellenize the Jews, attempting to introduce the Greek pantheon into the temple. A rebellion ensued and was brutally crushed, but no further action by Antiochus was taken. When Antiochus died in 187 BCE at Luristan, his son Seleucus IV Philopator succeeded him. However, his policies never took effect in Judea, since he was assassinated the year after his ascension.

Antiochus IV Epiphanes succeeded his older brother to the Seleucid throne and immediately adopted his father's previous policy of universal Hellenisation. The Jews rebelled again and Antiochus, in a rage, retaliated in force. Considering the previous episodes of discontent, the Jews became incensed when the religious observances of Sabbath and circumcision were officially outlawed. When Antiochus erected a statue of Zeus in their temple and Hellenic priests began sacrificing pigs (the usual sacrifice offered to the Greek gods in the Hellenic religion) their anger began to spiral. When a Greek official ordered a Jewish priest to perform a Hellenic sacrifice, the priest (Mattathias) killed him. In 167 BCE the Jews rose up en masse behind Mattathias and his five sons to fight and win their freedom from Seleucid authority. Mattathias' son Judas Maccabeus, now called "The Hammer", re-dedicated the temple in 165 BCE and the Jews celebrate this event to this day as a major part of the festival of Hanukkah.

The temple was rededicated under Judas Maccabaeus in 164 BCE. During the Roman era, Pompey entered (and thereby desecrated) the Holy of Holies in 63 BCE, but left the Temple intact. In 54 BCE, Crassus looted the Temple treasury, only for him to die the year after at the Battle of Carrhae against Parthia. When news of this reached the Jews, they revolted again, only to be put down in 43 BCE.

Around 20 BCE, the building was renovated and expanded by Herod the Great, and became known as Herod's Temple. It was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE during the Siege of Jerusalem. During the Bar Kokhba revolt against the Romans in 132–135 CE, Simon bar Kokhba and Rabbi Akiva wanted to rebuild the Temple, but bar Kokhba's revolt failed and the Jews were banned from Jerusalem (except for Tisha B'Av) by the Roman Empire. The emperor Julian failed to have the Temple rebuilt in 363 CE.

After the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem in the 7th century, Umayyad Caliph Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan ordered the construction of an Islamic shrine, the Dome of the Rock, on the site of the Temple. The shrine has stood on the mount since 691 CE; the al-Aqsa Mosque, from roughly the same period, also stands in the Temple courtyard.

The Temple Mount, along with the entire Old City of Jerusalem, was captured from Jordan by Israel in 1967 during the Six-Day War, allowing Jews once again to pray at the holy site. Jordan had occupied East Jerusalem and the Temple Mount immediately following Israel's declaration of independence on May 14, 1948. Israel officially unified East Jerusalem, including the Temple Mount, with the rest of Jerusalem in 1980 under the Jerusalem Law, though United Nations Security Council Resolution 478 declared the Jerusalem Law to be in violation of international law.




You see where I'm going with this right?  They've never NOT known where it was lol

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The spot of the rock.... makes it kind of benign when you assimilate variables that would change. Like weather, erosion, natural catastrophic events and such.... tongue
They knew were king solomon built a shrine avoid a territory he couldn't ever have controlled... makes no difference your correct.

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I did read a book.

TEMPLE. By Robert Cornuke.

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Considering there are maps of Jerusalem going back to ancient times, copied endlessly (Holy city after all) and since all building foundations must match the original... sorry but that's a bad thesis

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izard wrote:

I did read a book.

TEMPLE. By Robert Cornuke.


lol That's so funny. smile

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21 (edited by Xeno 09-Sep-2015 20:19:21)

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Everyone has egnored the fact that
The Bible says that not one stone would be left standing.  the wailing wall has  a lot of stones standing on each other.

Not ignoring what the Bible says or the fact that the Wailing Wall is still standing, just don't know what to make of it:


Maybe Jesus was speaking metaphorically, and meant that the Jewish establishment will be completely overturned, which it was and may still be again sometime in the future.

Or maybe Jesus wasn't speaking metaphorically, and was referring only to the stones, and so the Wailing Wall stones are still to be overturned sometime in the future.

Or maybe Jesus was speaking metaphorically and literally, and both the Jewish establishment and the Wailing Wall will be completely overturned.

Or maybe when Jesus and the disciples were walking around that day, Jesus didn't refer to the Wailing Wall stones as part of those stones that would be overturned...

If you look at the context of how the prophecy is given, you see that Jesus is walking around and probably gesturing to specific stones / buildings:

In the Matthew account we can infer that He is probably gesturing to specific stones.
http://biblehub.com/matthew/24.htm
"Truly I tell you, not one stone here[...]"


In Mark, we can infer Jesus was gesturing to specific buildings:
http://biblehub.com/mark/13.htm
"2"Do you see all these great buildings?"

In Luke, it is the same.  Jesus is probably gesturing to a specific area:
"As for what you see here,"
http://biblehub.com/luke/21.htm#5

Maybe the Wailing Wall wasn't part of one of the stones / buildings / area that Jesus was gesturing to.

But, who knows, again, maybe He was referring to all of the buildings / stones and they will be overturned in the future. Or, again, maybe He was speaking metaphorically and they won't.

If He was speaking metaphorically only, the question remains, was the Jewish establishment already overturned and the prophecy has been fulfilled, or hasn't the Jewish establishment been completely overturned yet and the prophecy hasn't yet been fulfilled?

<shrugs>

Prophecy is confusing.

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Nice post Xeno.