Topic: Another liberal oil meme busted.

Liberal mere: 10 years to get oil production up

Well even with an almost complete Federal ban on driilling in Federal lands or offshore the United States went from 6.5 million barrels drilled per day in 2012 to 7.5 million average barrels per a day in 2013. Feel free to look it up.

Maybe it would take liberals 10 years...

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2 (edited by twistedpuppet 28-Dec-2013 03:13:08)

Re: Another liberal oil meme busted.

Actually, it took 25 years. :V

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-oil-p … gh-2013-12


And, as you can see, I did look it up. :V

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Re: Another liberal oil meme busted.

har har, your funny. Even your scale shows a 1 million barrel a day increase in 1 year.

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Re: Another liberal oil meme busted.

Well, when you want to get off your rear and do some actual research, instead of spouting off what you were told by conspiracy theory nuts, come back and let's talk. :V  I've become cynical in the last 7 or so years. I'd much rather watch either one of the two major political parties split.  I would love for there to be a political paradigm shift because I want to see who would absorb the leftovers of a split party.

Ah, that would have been something to see it happen back in 1948. It was so cool. A huge paradigm shift happened and the values of both the major parties shifted dramatically.  Although the States Rights Democrats were short lived, they got absorbed by the Republican party, as evidenced by the similarity in some of the core values of the modern GOP and their presidential candidate later running for senate as a Republican.   It was such an awesome split. big_smile    Republicans used to be the progressive ones and used to push for more federal regulation. Now it's the other way around.

I really want the tea party to split from the republican party because I think it would be really exciting. Living history! big_smile

Yeah, that would be awesome.

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5 (edited by Key 31-Dec-2013 00:36:48)

Re: Another liberal oil meme busted.

Lot of those so called liberals back in 1948 were labeled marxists and socialists, and we all know what occured under Mcarthiasm.

"Have you or have you not been a member of the socialists political union."  Made as a statement, and not as a question.

Even now, there is a split in the republican party, between the Old Guarde and the Tea Party.  Even Boehner put his foot down and went across his own party lines to form a balanced budget for this coming fiscal year, where the Tea party was still refusing to deal about it in a proper format.

Gas prices along the Oregon coast is still the highest in the state, roughly holding at $3.33 to $3.39 a gallon.  The price was edging lower this winter, until some a-hole in the speculators market wrote a story stating how oil prices were going to skyrocket this year due to excessive cold fronts in the north moving south.  None of the gas retailers were willing to pump up the price of gas, and many home oil providers for heating were more than prepared to buy local rather than import due to exccesive price hikes from the eurozone and the middle-east.

Basically it was either christmas presents or heat.  The kid could cry about not getting his Power ranger action figures, or he could shiver in the cold of winter.  And the gas and oil companies didn't want the news fixation to label them inhumanitarians for letting little five year old johnny freeze in his own home, because the energy companies kept raising costs of goods.

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Re: Another liberal oil meme busted.

Notice how all the story's fixed on the economy and wages of the blue collar workers the last two months.  They talked about the price of goods being slashed in order to bring in more customers.

Right now, i have $16.00 in my bank account.  Payday was friday, and I have $16.00 left in my account.  I have two more weeks to stretch $16.00

My rent went up, cost of food has gone up, the regular bills have gone up (especially electricity).  I'm still expected to help both my sister and my mom pay for gas for their cars, and also help pay for either my mom's rent and/or medicine.

Does it looking like I give a flying FIG about oil bullcrap, when the oil companies are doing everything in their power to shove out some news source and come up with that news source as the reason to why oil and gas prices continue to rise?

I sure as hell can't fricken afford it, so why do you schmucks continue to let them do their dirty deeds?  Because your to damn lazy to run for office, stand up to oil companies and hit them head on.  At the rate that prices slowly go down, but quickly rise, gas is going to cost over $5.00 in less then eight years.  Now if you can't help control it, then your contributing to the problem, not helping solve it.

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7 (edited by Little Paul 31-Dec-2013 15:23:14)

Re: Another liberal oil meme busted.

There is one comment:

Alan Miles (URL) on Dec 27, 11:38 AM said:
This is terrific, but to put things into perspective the US consumes about 564,000 barrels of oil a month, so even with this it still needs to import 60% of its oil.

Don't know the guy but he makes a good point. My question is why the price per barrel is still very high?

Re: Another liberal oil meme busted.

because Americans will pay 2x as much for oil as they had predicted in 1999.  We bitch and moan but we pay it.

Also we aren't building more refineries, because nobody wants to live near one, and because we will pay 2x as much for gasoline to the people who would build new refineries, as they had figured we could stand. So, screw us.

Experts had also figured we couldn't stand 7% unemployment and they were wrong.   Sure if gas prices were cut in half, we'd have a boom;  getting them down would require massive exploitation of oil and expansion of refining.  Oil companies prefer to rape us, and the greens hate fossil fuels. So there's no partisan push for it, beyond local areas.

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Re: Another liberal oil meme busted.

Key the biggest 1 cost to your gas? Not OPEC, not Oil Companies, not the Gas Stations... The US Federal Government.

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Re: Another liberal oil meme busted.

people asked me to support ethanol and I said sure, I would love to make fuel from corn until fuel was back down to $1 per gallon

and that made them upset somehow

its as if they wanted to get in on that OPEC rape

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

Re: Another liberal oil meme busted.

Remember when the news broke that we had started EXPORTING gasoline!  It was our oil drilling had increased, and all the sudden we had a surplus of gasoline, and the news broke that the U.S. government began to sell gasoline to other countries.

If we have a surplus, then why the hell was the gas prices still surging?  Extra gas, meant that we could stockpile and relieve customers and make the price go down.  Because there would be NO SHORTAGE.  During shortages the price goes up, because demand is higher.  But if there is no shortage, then they have more than enough to push a lower price.

And the U.S. government does not trade in OIL futures.  Oil futures are traded by the Stock Market and business investors.  So the decisions to raise the cost of gas is not affected by the U.S. government as a whole, but by the decisions of those that sell the crap.

Right now the only thing Wall Street investors want to do is Short Sell.  That's buy quickly at a low price and then sell it a higher price as quick as possible.  As quick as possible.  Their no longer interested in finding the best deal.  They take any low cost material at any price, and then sell at one higher price.  And do you know whose buying that higher price?  Other investors who repeat the same thing.  They decide to purchase it, short sell, and sell it at a higher price.  Have you ever seen the price of Oil as it trades in one single day?  The price changes nearly every second.  That's a second where one investor buys it at low, and within SECONDS resells it at a higher cost.  That's not even done by men, that's done by computer programs, who are run by men that are attempting to force the price of a commodity to sky rocket.

In some cases, the same investor REBUYS what they just SOLD, and their computer does this anywhere between a dozen times to hundreds of tiems in a single hour.  Real human beings look at that price, and see it surge, now they want to be on what they believe to be the "bandwagon" thinking if they don't get into the action, they'll lose out.  Sadly, the program that was being used has also been programmed to cut off at a single point in time, and let the cards lay as they fall.  After that one particular moment most real live investors are morons and were suckered into buying a product at a price that was not worth it.   Now they have a product at a price that no one wants to buy, and they decide to try to sell it at a lower price, taking a loss.  Once that price reaches a certain price level again, that stupid computer program from those investors kicks in, and the garbage starts all over again.

Micro-transactions.  Computer controlled programs which buy and sell within seconds, causing rollercoaster rides on the Wall Street ticker tapes.  The process is illegal, because human controls have to be in place to stop any sort of hanky panky on the market.  Lot of companies have already been caught using these micro-transaction programs, and they've been dealt with and fined for the use of them.  However, doesn't mean someone is not smart enough to change the space of time between the purchase and resale during these short sale moments.

And your blaming the U.S. federal government?  Geeze, I thought you were smarter than that Einstein.

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Re: Another liberal oil meme busted.

Link key


Chris I blame you for ethanol now X(

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Re: Another liberal oil meme busted.

lol.

I like ethanol at parties. big_smile

Re: Another liberal oil meme busted.

Einstein wrote:

Link key


Chris I blame you for ethanol now X(


You didn't provide any links, so why should Key? 

So, it's ok when you post something that is obviously complete BS and without links?  However, when someone else posts something without links, you demand they post links.

Lovely double standard there, Michael.

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15 (edited by V. Kemp 04-Jan-2014 08:03:11)

Re: Another liberal oil meme busted.

Key's post on stock markets makes me cringe.

First, that's not what "short selling" is.
http://www.investopedia.com/university/ … lling1.asp

Second, re-buying what one just sold at a lower price is GIVING AWAY money, not a strategy to make money.

And third, any individual investor trying to ride markets on a daily basis is knowingly throwing money away. No responsible investor loses money to such computerized schemes, only other idiotic, corrupt mega-bankers do. And they don't harm the free people of America unless... those people are dumb enough to elect corrupt politicians who bail out the idiot bankers. That's the fault of idiot voters who don't hold their elected leaders accountable, not [relatively] free markets. Without idiot voters, the people engaging in idiotic trading get fired, and the idiotic banks who employ them go bankrupt, giving more customers to responsible banks who actually produce profits. (Yay interest for all! Remember what interest on savings was?!)

The cost of ensuring deposits in banks run into the ground by idiots/corrupt banksters is much less than the endless trillions America is giving away to banksters now, destroying competition and free markets along the way.

I'm not saying that the stock market isn't legalized crime and it's not a big inflation-riding, money-printing bubble just waiting to explode. It's just... entirely different from what Key thinks it is.

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16 (edited by Key 03-Jan-2014 18:10:08)

Re: Another liberal oil meme busted.

Yah your right, that's not short-selling.  Although the term is usually used in housing markets, but are used in some wall street financial transactions.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/10/16/ … ions/?_r=0

http://www.klocwork.com/blog/static-ana … ns-trades/

http://www.cftclaw.com/2013/11/options- … agreement/

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100978715

http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2012/08 … 0-million/

http://www.brokeandbroker.com/1357/sour … bitration/

This is just a SMALL sampling of the trades, with the last story sorry to say, being that those usually in charge of the companies play dumb.  Most of these programs are supposed to be simple.  Buy low, sell high.

In some cases, their own computers bought and sold shares with its own self.  That's right, the computer program itself would read itself as a prospective buyer, and sell the newly bought shares to itself.  So within seconds the damn computer program would institute hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of trades in less than a few minutes.  Of course it's purchases would continue to purchase other shares from other people, but it would get cycled back into itself.

If the program was used truelly for nefarious purposes, you would slowly make purchases hours at a time, and pump up the price exhorbantly within the same constrains of the company issueing the sale.  Except the seller would cancel the order before purchase would be made, thereby creeping up the price.  Buy at 12.01, sell at 12.06...cancel...wait some time...sell at 12.10...cancel...wait some time...sell at 12.25....

Slowly you could pump up prices for any one goodes on the financial markets.  Wall Street pundits were supposed to have placed their own computer programs to notice these illegal transactions, that attempt to heist the price of goods.  It's basically supposed to force people to look at the numbers and go, "there must be a demand, we better jump on the bandwagon, or we're gonna get left behind...." except the buyers get frustrated, because they don't know is that the original seller keeps cancelling and raising the prices.  So by the end of the trade on the day, the cancellation stops, the price is far higher than it should be, even though there was no great demand, but now everyone thanks there was one.  And now they have a product that they will attempt to sell at a higher price that they bought it at.

Now if a human does it, that means it would have to be a verbal order.  But if it's a computer doing the ordering and canceling, makes it harder to find out who the actual culprit is.  If it's a computer, the owners of the company can state, "Must have been a computer glitch."  Wall Street and Fed, sees that this was going on for a while, and decided enough glitches had taken place in the last four years, to finally make those companies pay dearly.  Hence the multi-million dollar fines.  In fact some of the fines were in direct relation to the amount of loss in the market that was being affected.  This was supposed to be a warning to all companies, that if you attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of the market, you will pay.

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Re: Another liberal oil meme busted.

It's "you're."

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. "If..." "You could..."

You've completely disregarded everything I've said because it's obviously over your head and continued to embarrass yourself with more random conjecture and hypotheticals which have absolutely no connection to real people in the real world and real markets--which there are huge problems with, compliments of the Federal Reserve and the US government.

But you have no idea what I'm talking about, or what you're talking about for that matter, so why bother correcting you.

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Re: Another liberal oil meme busted.

Because you don't know how speculator corporations and Trade houses have attempted to hijack the market and pump up price of goods, and that includes OIL!

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Re: Another liberal oil meme busted.

for once I agree with Kemp, you have no clue Key

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