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A thread to share truths, implications of those truths, and ideas for solutions implied by the truths that we share. Debates, discussions, arguments etc.
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A thread to share truths, implications of those truths, and ideas for solutions implied by the truths that we share. Debates, discussions, arguments etc.
Another great film that explains things clearly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMgOTQ7D … Ocmv2F1zqX
No one wants to discuss the implications? If not, all I will do is share such links, I guess.
A truth is nothing more than a column of data which was removed from a research paper, leaving behind partial truth, or not the whole truth.
A series, discussion which only points out one man's research, without an equal but opposite presentation on the other side of the fence... is not a truth.
It's an a formulated opinion from the perspective of a single individual.
But it will never be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Truth is like observations of a scientist. An interesting premise and theory at best. A fact at hopeful best. A fact until a new theory comes along to smack the fact to teh backburners once again.
Truth then. The world was flat. Observational fact.
Truth in the middle. The world is round. HEY! This guy went around the world and came back to where he started from.
Truth now. The world is really kinda eggish oblong.....measured scientifically of course by satelites, programmed by those faulty human beings we know so much about.
Truth is in the eye of the observer.
Which is why we need to share truths - plural.
"The truth! You can't handle the truth!"
"The truth! You can't handle the truth!"
Alone, yes, individually, yes, you're right. And no one individual can either. But given the opportunity, I think, collectively, truths can be managed and refined through a democratic process whereby the most important truths, the implications of such most important truths, and ideas for solutions implied by these most important truths that we share can be synthesized into workable plans to further our collective will towards enuring our best interest as a species, in the context of altruistic symbiosis with other species.
Life seems to be a precious, a rare event in the universe; we don't seem to appreciate this, sadly. I honestly think the first step is a universal, decentralized social network, whereby the context for sharing such truths, implications, and ideas can occur.
A good film, with many well-presented arguments, truths, and analysis of some of the possible implications of such truths. Awake right wingers should find it useful, while left-wingers who still rest their faith in the academic and social services establishment might find it harder to swallow. Of course, I would like to have honest, critical discussion of ideas presented in the film with anyone, left-leaning or right-leaning.
Another good film, this time about human nature, our desire for fulfillment, and some insight where to find it. Although I don't agree completely, it's worth consideration.
A good film about peak oil, the economic collapse, the environment, our culture, and many other matters of concern.
Remember hurricane Sandy a year ago? Building a storm surge wall to prevent it from ever happening again is really on the table.
Will Haiti build a storm surge wall around its entire country? What about other countries? Who cares, I guess, right? Only New York is important, I suppose, eh?
The Maldives? Who cares.
Bangladesh? Bahh...
But Wallstreet? Oh, well, yeah, we'll need to build a storm surge wall for 'Wall'street for sure, so we can keep moving forward blindly, espousing the uncritical, self-interest-driven, positive-thinking cult paradigm that is causing increased frequency of such storms all over the world. It'll be fine. Just as long as Wallstreet has its storm surge barriers, duh.
Truths, implications, ideas for solutions to systemic problems implied by truths.
Don't bitch at me for not building a wall around Bangledesh
go build a wall around Bangledesh and get massive bragging points
Don't bitch at me for not building a wall around Bangledesh
go build a wall around Bangledesh and get massive bragging points
Hmm, let me think here.
Who should build the stormsurge wall around Bangladesh?
The people who caused global warming and the sea-level rise that is ruining people's lives in Bangladesh. Business imported poverty and exploitation into Bangladesh while calling it 'freedom', while simultaneously experiencing the benefits of such 'freedom': exported resources, goods, and profits for these people:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … 008%29.png
Or should the victims pay for it - these people:
http://climateandcapitalism.com/wp-cont … floods.jpg
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/asse … -620xa.jpg
http://www.rtcc.org/files/2013/04/Pic-2 … raasch.jpg
Unfortunately, they are the ones who will pay for this:
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_ … -6-web.jpg
Because they are the ones who have already paid for this:
http://ian.umces.edu/blog/wp-content/up … rrier1.jpg
Such projects represent the paradigm that creates the delusional, insane impression that the current rise in temperatures and sea levels is sustainable and therefore we can just continue what we're doing. We'll just build storm surge walls everywhere. Okay, then, well, how about instead of starting with London or New York, where you have people who benefit most by and primarily caused the problem, let's start with Bangladesh, for the people who didn't cause the problem. If we are capable of building storm surge walls everywhere, prove it; let's start a huge storm surge wall around the entire country of Bangladesh.
It's only the major cities, where population is most dense, and only in 'developed' countries that can afford such projects. How can they, though? What allows the 'developed' countries to continue its malpractices against the rest of the world? The economic resources to maintain the developed world ability to build such projects and continue its malpractice against the world is a result of resource extraction (namely oil), goods, and services that have been extracted or produced primarily from such parts of the world such as Bangladesh where illegitimate legal systems and corruption provide for a context for business to operate more cheaply; where due to no or scant labor laws or human rights, businesses can exploit resources and labor; where wealth and power rests in the hands of an easily manipulable few; where such allows for destructive environmental practices to be ignored by local authorities, all of which results in actual diminished standards of living rather than increased standards of living as PROMISED them in the first place.
As a result of ecological destruction, and the rise of intensive agribusiness, we are seeing a mass migration of people from the now impoverished, exploited countryside where there is now no or little social services or economic opportunity. Migrants end up in urban centers in slums where they are WORSE off rather than better. Scarcity of jobs on farms back home is met with scarcity jobs as well as the unaffordability of living space, pollution, crime, etc., in the cities, all a result of the economic self-interest of these people:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … 008%29.png
And you want the poor people in those countries to pay for their own storm surge walls?
They can't, because we stole all their money, all their resources, all their ability to do ANYTHING about global warming.
Think about it, what do you think happens when such places become untenable? What happens to the few wealthy, powerful people in those countries by whose corruption the shareholders and general public of the developed world is able to extract their benefits? What happens to those few wealthy, corrupt people who were permitted a small piece of the pie and are the ONLY ones with ANY sort of financial resources available to do anything about the nightmare that is caused? What do you think they do when things become untenable? They leave.
And where do you think they go with all their money?
You guessed it:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … 008%29.png
It is insane!
New Yorker billionaires and construction workers should be building a storm surge wall around Bangladesh, AND New York, but Bangladesh FIRST. Instead, what is happening is New York imports Bangladeshi factory-owner (and all his money) where he gets a job as a construction worker on New York's storm surge wall project. Meanwhile, millions of Bangladeshi factory and construction workers in Bangladesh lose their jobs because the factory owner had liquidized his assets and sold his factory to pay the New York lawyers off to get him a visa to the US.
These people in Bangladesh and other such countries that are experiencing the effects of global warming lose EVERYTHING, all due to the warming caused by the 'developed' world.
So build the storm surge wall around such places as Bangladesh first, then places like New York.
http://news.msn.com/science-technology/ … rer-future
"The Nobel Peace Prize-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change will issue a report next March on how global warming is already affecting the way people live and what will happen in the future, including a worldwide drop in income. A leaked copy of a draft of the summary of the report appeared online Friday on a climate skeptic's website. Governments will spend the next few months making comments about the draft."
A leaked copy of information that the majority of scientists believe to be a fact. A leaked copy, which showed up on a climate skeptic's website. Governments. Governments will take the next few months making comments on the draft, which was not ready to be released.
So basically, this draft may have already been forwarded to a government office, who then decided to seed it on the internet, in order to debunk.
And of course, the government will read the report, state matter of factly that in order to make changes on a global scale would be a humongous man made effort that will take far to much time, and far to much money. Money they are unwilling to spend. A skeptic is someone that sits on the train tracks with his back towards a hurtling train, and says, "Just because I hear a train whistle, does not mean there is a train coming behind me."
When danger is looming, only a skeptic see's nothing.
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