1 (edited by Xeno 20-Oct-2013 16:51:52)

Topic: The IC Player Revolution Thread

This is the thread for IC players who want to join the revolution to save IC from obsolescence.  We can discuss our plans here transparently for any and all to see and participate in.

Please report your revolutionary activities in this thread so everyone can be aware of what's going on. 



Current Objective:
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Our objective is for players who are actually playing the game to own enough shares in it to have the legal right to vote on decisions that affect game design - a system whereby playing the game incurs shares of actual, legal ownership of the company.



Current Activities:
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We are getting the word out about this Player Revolution to the IC Player Community.

We have high profile players who are conducting personal strikes / boycotts of the IC galaxies, including most of the mods themselves.

We have IC Player Revolutionaries infiltrated in many of the fams in many of the galaxies, including the test galaxy.



Organizational Structure of the IC Player's Revolutionaries
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The organizational structure of the IC Player's Revolution is always under continuous, progressive, democratically-determined development.  It is currently anarchistic, operating under a 'no leader' paradigm.  As such, I am only a spokesperson acting individually according to my personal, individual sense of ethics with the aim of simply providing information to you all so that we all can stay informed as to what is going on.

At any time, however, this paradigm may shift, for instance, to one with a more traditional democratic representation structure. 




Democratic Representation Structure
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Open to you all at all times is the opportunity for any of you to start an election campaign for leadership of the Player's Revolution. 

Any players who wish to do so can post nominations for leadership in this thread; at any time, leadership nominees can post their acceptance of their nomination and their election campaign message.  Election of leader to follow in such a case.

Also, any players who wish to do so can post ideas, have discussions on various issues, and post proposals for us to vote upon.




Upcoming Votes:
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Possible vote on leadership and organizational structure of the IC Player Revolution.  When: as soon as enough players participating in this thread indicate their wish to have a more traditional leadership structure.




List of proposed demands in the event of a Player's strike:
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1.  The IC players and IC owners enter immediate negotiations for the sale of this game to the players.  Negotiations are to be held in this thread.

2.  The final transfer of the negotiated amount of funds for the purchase of the game and transfer of ownership to the players is to be pending certain conditions to be determined in the future.  A prime condition of purchase is that certain game-design changes must be made prior and done so to the players' satisfaction. 

3. Voting rights on current game changes are to be allotted to current VIP members immediately.




List of demands voted on:
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List of IC Player Revolutionary Activities Proposed:
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1.  An IMMEDIATE boycott of the ideas forum.  Nobody posts there.

2.  An IMMEDIATE boycott of the bugs forum.  Nobody posts there.

3.  IC players who want to participate in getting the word out can random into fams and post this (or something like it) to family forums.  We can also message players in the galaxies the following:

"The IC Player Revolution has started.  Visit: this <link to this thread> to participate."

4.  A set-date player strike.  Nobody plays in any of the galaxies on a certain date in the future. Moderators will implement a lock-out of the log-in system for 24 ticks.  Galaxy resets can occur thereafter.






List of of player action voted upon:
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List of proposals for after sale changes:
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1.  The purchase of VIP accounts should come with a certificate of share of ownership of the company.
2.  Voting rights for the design decision-making process be allotted all players.
3.  Voting rights for moderators be allotted all players.




List of after sale changes voted upon:
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2 (edited by Xeno 12-Oct-2013 19:26:26)

Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

My first thought is that we should have a player strike.  I say we sit out the current IC rounds, just to flex our muscles a bit and let them know we're serious. 

We should mass delete our current presence in the galaxies.  And not rejoin a galaxy until we get some sort of dialogue going on with developers and owners of IC in this thread.

Thoughts?

3 (edited by Xeno 12-Oct-2013 19:39:42)

Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

Another idea is for players to buy IC so they can arrange for the necessary changes themselves.

I'd throw in maybe a $1, but only for say a 1% share of the company, because I feel players ought to have the voting rights.

Each VIP membership would come with voting rights.

So after the current ownership settles its liabilities / files for bankruptcy. I'd be willing to throw in a dollar. 

I certainly wouldn't want to be liable for any of its current debts.

Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

Are you high?

Modestus Experitus

Arby: A very strict mod, reminds me of a fat redneck who drives a truck around all day with a beer in one hand. I hated this guy at the start, however, I played a round in PW with him where he went as an anonymous player. Our fam got smashed up and everyone pretty much left. Arby stayed around and helped out the remaining family. At the end of the round he revealed himself.... My views on him have changed since. Your a good guy.....

Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

He just wants attention.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)

Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

No, i'm pretty sure he's serious.

Turn on - Tune in - Drop out

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After my conversations with Xeno from the past, I would say he's absolutely serious....which is why I asked if he was high.

Modestus Experitus

Arby: A very strict mod, reminds me of a fat redneck who drives a truck around all day with a beer in one hand. I hated this guy at the start, however, I played a round in PW with him where he went as an anonymous player. Our fam got smashed up and everyone pretty much left. Arby stayed around and helped out the remaining family. At the end of the round he revealed himself.... My views on him have changed since. Your a good guy.....

Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

I'm in! big_smile

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9 (edited by Xeno 13-Oct-2013 09:55:40)

Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

]PW[ Forever wrote:

I'm in! big_smile

Okay, so first we need a leader.  Or maybe not?  I dunno.  sad never started a revolution before...  where's Render?  I'd think he'd be in, too, and some other players.

Maybe they're already on strike?

Okay, so maybe first, there's a need to explain that a player strike means we strike 'playing'.  It doesn't mean we quit the forum.  We need to show up here in order to plan the revolution.

Oh, and Einstein, Arby, Zarf.  The mods.  The developers.  etc.

I'd like to congratulate you for taking the initiative here.

Thank you for being on our side.

Seems like you've been striking for about a month already, eh?   Or how long has it been since you played a round?

So, yeah, let's get the word out.

Do we need to plan date for the walkout?  Or how will it work, exactly?  Where will the picket lines be?

I think we need to discuss our reasons for doing this, and our demands...

I'll edit the first post of this thread with list of proposed demands.  Players please propose demands below.

Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

I propose VIPs get voting rights on game changes to be implemented and they get part ownership (shares of company and dividends paid) for VIP members.

Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

Actually, your posts are making alot of sense. Count me in!

Turn on - Tune in - Drop out

12 (edited by Xeno 13-Oct-2013 17:54:45)

Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

Hoffman wrote:

Actually, your posts are making alot of sense. Count me in!

That's great!

I think we need to make IC a game owned by players; for their profit; change the design so that it attracts and facilitates new players, so that growth of IC game membership becomes the interest of the stakeholders.   

We need to grab power so we can redesign it to make it a game for the new player, rather than a game for the pessimistic, embittered, old veteran mod who just doesn't give a damn anymore.

The current IC game design bullies the new player; it is a design which inflicts actual (not just virtual) violence on the new player.

Think about it: the steep learning curve, the dog-eat-dog, big-fish-eat-little-fish paradigm, force the weak to capitulate to the demands of the veteran, and actually makes it illegal for the small, weaker players to rally together and come to each others' aid against the strong veteran player.

What should happen is the opposite, where the game actually fosters and facilitates new, weak players to rally together to come to each others' aid when the strong, veteran player attacks them.

While veteran players have an unspoken alliances with each other, the new players who don't have friends yet on IC, are disenfranchised and alone from the start, struggling in frustration to learn a game which, and let's be honest here, is not very user friendly.  There's an incredibly steep learning curve.

From the start, the new player is struggling to learn the game; they are disenfranchised and alone.  Then a veteran player attacks them and forces them to explore planets for a nap?

This is ACTUAL violence, not just virtual violence, because behind the screen is a new player who ACTUALLY feels oppressed and belittled.

This is ACTUAL bullying.

Why is the IC universe designed this way? 

Why is the IC universe is designed so that the veteran player is rewarded for oppressing and subjugating the new, weak player?

How can we redesign the game so that new players no longer end up wanting to leave the game the before they have a chance to learn how fun it can be?

I honestly don't think the current IC establishment is inclined to change their way of thinking on this.  They are stuck in the old paradigm where they think players want a dog-eat-dog world. 

We don't.  Neither veteran nor new players want this.

A game design which forces the strong, veteran player to win only by bullying the weak is as much an ACTUAL act of violence against the veteran player as it is an ACTUAL act of violence against the new player.

The game design based on an out-of-date paradigm.

For years they have shown no inclination to change this paradigm, but rather have actually gone in the opposite direction, and made it even worse for new players.

Now new players don't even have a family to join when they first start.

I am 100% convinced a changing of the guard is necessary.

We need to grab power from them so that we can get them OUT of the decision-making process.

They've got to go.

I think the only way forward is for us players to own this game and change the game design to stop this unnecessary ACTUAL violence that is being committed on the new player and veteran player alike.

It is preventing this game from being profitable.

Their paradigm of dog-eat-dog, big fish eats little fish - this paradigm people just don't respond to anymore.  They don't like this sort of thing. 

Until this paradigm is changed, this game won't be successful and we shouldn't even WANT to buy this game from them.

So BEFORE we buy it, they are going to have to change it.

Therefore, I think one of our demands should be as we have our walk-out and player strike until they implement certain changes that WE feel will make this game a good investment for US.

We are the ones who will be buying it.

Why should we buy a bad investment?

But we have to protect ourselves here.

We cannot tell them what changes we will require to be implemented before we buy it.  The contract of sale of the game to us will be at a predetermined price that we can start negotiating now.  But before we actually transfer the funds, a condition of sale will be that  they make the changes that we want and that will make this game successful beforehand.  And we won't tell them what changes these will be until AFTER they and we agree on and sign the sale agreement.

I propose the following:

An IMMEDIATE boycott of the ideas forum.  Nobody post there.

We demand immediate negotiations of the dollar amount for the sale of this game to the players.

The final transfer of funds and ownership is to be pending certain conditions of sale: changes that WE will specify and which must be made to the game to OUR satisfaction.

Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

We need more ideas... this can't be put all on me

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Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

Oh, and I suppose we should also boycott the bugs forum.  They can find their own bugs.

15 (edited by Xeno 13-Oct-2013 19:00:18)

Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

Okay, so clearly we need more awareness of what is going on among the players.

I propose we random into fams post this (or something like it) to their forums.  We can also message players in the galaxy.

"The IC Player Revolution has started.  Visit: http://imperialconflict.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=188855" to participate."

(The link to this thread)

16 (edited by Xeno 13-Oct-2013 21:03:26)

Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

I propose that when the strike occurs, moderators implement a lock-out of the log-in system for 24 ticks.

The lock-out can be for just 24-hours.  Galaxy resets can occur thereafter.

Moderators would have to see that such action is the mass will of the players, or they won't do it.

Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

Xeno wrote:

I propose that when the strike occurs, moderators implement a lock-out of the log-in system for 24 ticks.

The lock-out can be for just 24-hours.  Galaxy resets can occur thereafter.

Moderators would have see that such action is the mass will of the players, or they won't do it.

If it was the will of the players, why would you need or even want moderators to force the action on those who may possibly not have the same will which "the players" have?

Make Eyes Great Again!

The Great Eye is watching you... when there's nothing good on TV...

Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

Xeno, you're the Leader of the rebellion. smile

~*✠ ]PW[ Forever ✠*~

19 (edited by Xeno 13-Oct-2013 21:09:36)

Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

The Great Eye wrote:
Xeno wrote:

I propose that when the strike occurs, moderators implement a lock-out of the log-in system for 24 ticks.

The lock-out can be for just 24-hours.  Galaxy resets can occur thereafter.

Moderators would have see that such action is the mass will of the players, or they won't do it.

If it was the will of the players, why would you need or even want moderators to force the action on those who may possibly not have the same will which "the players" have?

Thanks for the awesome, constructive question Zarf.  I honestly really appreciate it!  For this was a major concern of mine as well.



The answer is simply that there will be player scabs who might take advantage of the strike to log into the galaxies and conduct attacks on players' empires.

As such, it will be necessary to lock everybody out for the duration of the players' strike.

Yes, if there are going to be galaxy resets, those scabs will just be wasting their time anyway.

In this strike, the picket line is the login to the galaxies.  As in any strike, the picketers have the right to deter people from crossing the picket line.

20 (edited by Xeno 13-Oct-2013 21:28:23)

Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

]PW[ Forever wrote:

Xeno, you're the Leader of the rebellion. smile

Okay, well, if I am going to be the leader for now, I'm going to need help.

Can helpers post what activity they have done for our cause in this thread so that we can at least be aware of what's going on?

We're all fighting blind here if people don't report in and let everyone else know what they've done and what's happening.

We need to get enough players involved so we can start having votes on matters, including the leadership of the revolution.

Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

We'll need someone to make a facebook page and twitter account for us.  We will also need stuff on youtube. As much as I hate to admit it, we should probably contact the mainstream media.

As far as I am aware, this will be the first time in the history of the video gaming industry where a massive online multiplayer video game is bought by the players.

22 (edited by Xeno 13-Oct-2013 22:26:49)

Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

But we don't want to pay the dollar value of the game after we get all this publicity.  No.  So we'll take our time making the facebook page, twitter account and contacting the media.

We want the game for its fair market value (after all debts are paid by the current ownership).

As it is now, the game isn't making any money, as per mods' admission.  probably losing money.

A priority, then is for us to get the game at a fair price.

I'll start with an initial offer of $1 (after proof that liabilities against the company have been cleared is provided).

Counter offer can be posted in this thread by Stefan, if in fact he still owns the game and is still around (maybe he really is in prison?).

We'll probably need a lawyer to draw up the paper work.  I don't know any good lawyers, though.  Such are few and far between, it seems...

Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

Lead the way master!

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Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

Waiting for counter offer...

If no counter offer is forthcoming, strike is a go.

Re: The IC Player Revolution Thread

I complain and whinge alot, I also haven't played since the "updates". smile

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