That is a benefit in my eye... no one will known if they are too small, or if they can attack, hopefully leading towards more shares without the "coring" problem. Anyone who was interested enough could of course workout their own NW and their fams nw, and infils might help with determining nw of others, though that calculation would of course now become more difficult, also leading towards banker farming being harder.

My intention is to add an attacking version for Top Lists, which will track key Attacking criteria.  This in effect will let you know whot he good attackers are (to an extent, obviously) etc etc.

I just haven't got round to it yet!

But yea, an overall scoring thing could be cool, too.

Orbit: but doing that will not shoot you up the rankings, so there is no reward.. ping-ponging will in fact push you up the ranks so therefore has a point.

What Orbit is saying though, is that rankings will just be that, people will find a way to get to the top.  However, for the game, we actually need to make it more worthwhile to capture and retain planets.

yeah Troq, the basic idea is to get attacking more popular. At the moment there are two main focus on what means "good" or "winning" in IC, size and nw. Size is sort of related to attacking whilst nw is more related to econ. Problem is that size also related to econ, and is now directly related to attacking prowess. So my thought is to drop nw and replace with another score system that is directly related to how good the attacking was, though in my system here nw is still a component of the "fame" score so being good at econ still gives a boost to ranking, but the small attacker who keeps his small fam's systems clear of threats gets recognition as well.

Actually an idea is to have negative fame as well? though i had wanted to give benefit for keeping a war going.

no, that was Xeno's idea.. I see no reason for this attacking based score to effect in game abilities - it is a scoring system that rewards attacking as well as building stuff

Also i should point out that my desire atm is too just be lazy and build stuff all round in Supernova, I have no desire to "win" and the current NW & Size based rankings work well for me, I can make top 20 easily enough - assuming i remember to log on at EOR and do my jump...

Appart of the fame thing, or new skoring, like I told in other thread, there should be a reward for families that go to bloody war.
Right now, kontenders are families that avoid bloody & long wars and instead go for easy targets or vulture the loots of other fams that went to war.  This is a shame and it happens every round.  So the tendenzy goes against wars and in favour of infra and spekulation.

Well I have a solution to reduze this spekulation and reward families that go to bloody and long wars, to kreate a PROTEKTION time after a war is kanzeled.   This time would be based on the % of NW lost by a family in a war and the time spent on it.

It works this way:

*When a leader deklares a war, the family NW is saved in a variable kalled "InitNW", and a kounter kalled "WarTiks" is kreated at zero.  This kounter grows with every tik the war status is enabled (+1 every tik).
Also the total NW of the galazy is saved in a variable kalled "InitGalNW"

*When a leader kanzels a war, the family NW is saved in a variable kalled "FinNW", and the kounter "WarTiks" is stopped.
Also the total NW of the galazy is saved in a variable kalled "FinGalNW"

The formula to estimate the PROTEKTION time for the family is like this:
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1st we get the NW% lost (or won) by the family 
--->  NW%lost = 100 - ((FinNW*100) div (InitNW))
Notize if the family NW inkreased with the war, this number will be negative.

2nd we get the %time of the round dedikated to this war, by using the kounter   
----> %wartime = 100* (WarTiks div RoundTiks)
Where RoundTiks is the total amount of tiks in the round.

3rd we get the %galNWlost respekt to the rest of the galazy while the war lasted 
----> %galNWlost = 100* ((InitNW div InitGalNW) - (FinNW div FinGalNW))

Finally get the PROTEKTION time (in tiks) awarded for that family
----> PROT = NW%lost + %wartime + ((%galNWlost)*(%wartime))
If PROT is a negative value or zero then its not applied.

So if "A" family lost 25% of their NW during a war of 72h, when the total time of the round is 1080h (1.5 months), and lost a 4%NW in proportion to the galazy growth, this family is awarded with a PROTEKTION period of 55 hours (tiks).
PROT = 25 + 6 + (4*6) = 55

And if "B" family won 15% of their NW in the same war, but kanzeled the war 12 tiks later than the other side, and lost a 2%NW in proportion to the galazy growth, this family is awarded with a PROTEKTION period of 6 hours (tiks).
PROT = -15 + 7 + (2*7) = 6

I dare you test this formulas with real war kases, and you'll find the reasoning and fairness of it.

Additional Rules:
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The PROTEKTION time means no other family kan attak you wiht the ekszeption of Sentinels  (to avoid people abusing it). 
The PROTEKTION time is instantly removed when this family attaks any other foreign empire (intra fam attaks should not kount).

Good question, so size should be inkluded in the formula.  You kan make up your NW, but you kannot hide your planet kount.  I'll think about how planet kount should be inkluded in the kalkulations and post asap 

That would be ideal, so positive fame earned in the war gives more protektion time, while negative fame gives less protektion time or null.  But then we'd need fame implemented to kalkulate the protektion time, and we kannot wait for 1 thing to make the other thing, or it wont happen.

The protektion time kan be implemented without fame by now, and then if any fame parameter is implemented it will be easy to inklude it in the formula.

Zeno I thought about inkluding planet kount in the formula and now I see it is not nezessary. If a family wants to disband fleet and kill their NW before the war is kanzelled, it is legit to do it, while the war they fought has been a real and bloody war. The formula itself prevents big fams from abusing it with fake wars.  The lenght of a war is the main faktor, if you fight a fake war for 3 tiks just to earn protektion time to do a NW adjustement, your only reward might be from 3 to 10 tiks of protektion, not worth.

However, you kannot kanzel a war in 3 tiks, the minimum time is 48h, so I think the number of attaks, average per tik, would be an interesting parameter to be inkluded in the formula to detekt fake wars and penalize it.
Now to kount the # of attaks on the family at war looks like a komplikated task, but to kount the # of planets lost in a tik (to any family) is way more easy and doable. So you'd kalkulate the average planets loss per tik during the wartime and the resulting number would affekt positively in the final PROT formula.
A high Average-Planet-Loss means the war was real while a low or null number means the war was fake or abusive by your side. 
----> APL from 0 to 1 means fake or not bloody or abusive
----> APL > 1 means real war

So APL should be a faktor for the %wartime, applied as a penalty when <1 and as a reward when its >=1

How to kalkulate APL?  --> start an akkumulator kalled "PlanetLoss" at zero when the war is deklared, that inkreases with any planet lost during the wartime.  When the war is kanzeled we get the APL
----> APL = PlanetLoss div WarTiks

Now we need a new kompensative variable kalled "Komp", the way
IF APL<1 THEN Komp = - (((1 - APL)*(%wartime)) + %wartime)
ELSE Komp = (APL) * (%wartime)

The updated PROT formula would be like this:
----> PROT = NW%lost + %wartime + ((%galNWlost)*(%wartime)) + Komp

Like any other program it has to be tested with the "best" and "worst" kases, to prove the effektivity of the algorithm and lokate any flaw.   I'm not posting the tests here, would be very annoying if I do, but I invite you do it by yourself and if u find some result not fair or unezpekted please let me know.

The kase of a winning family sitting on a lot of empty planets after a long bloody war is a basik kase, they need a long protektion period also, to konsolidate and sekure the earned territory.
Dont forget the purpose of this feature is to reduze vulturing and spekulation after 2 fams go at war and end the war weak and poorly defended from bigger & spekulative fams.

TESTING (konsidering both fams have the same wartime lenght)
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InitGalNW = 250000
FinGalNW = 600000
WarTiks = 72
RoundTiks = 1080

Fam "A"
InitNW = 30000
FinNW = 40000
APL = 0.4

Fam "B"
InitNW = 22000
FinNW = 13000
APL = 2.6

Fam "A" (Winning Side)
--->  NW%lost = 100 - ((FinNW*100) div (InitNW)) = 100 - 133 = -33
----> %wartime = 100* (WarTiks div RoundTiks) = 6.6
----> %galNWlost = 100* ((InitNW div InitGalNW) - (FinNW div FinGalNW)) = 100* (0.12 - 0.06) = 6
IF APL<1 THEN Komp = - (((1 - APL)*(%wartime)) + %wartime)
ELSE Komp = (APL) * (%wartime)
----> Komp = - 10.5
PROT = NW%lost + %wartime + ((%galNWlost)*(%wartime)) + Komp = -33 + 6.6 + 39.6 - 10.5 = 2.7
IF PROT<0 THEN Penalty=PROT; ELSE Penalty=0; END
----> Penalty = 0
-----> APROT = NW%lost + %wartime + ((%galNWlost)*(%wartime)) + Komp + Penalty = 2.7 ~ 3

Fam "B" (Losing Side)
--->  NW%lost = 100 - ((FinNW*100) div (InitNW)) = 100 - 59 = 41
----> %wartime = 100* (WarTiks div RoundTiks) = 6.6
----> %galNWlost = 100* ((InitNW div InitGalNW) - (FinNW div FinGalNW)) = 100* (0.09 - 0.02) = 7
IF APL<1 THEN Komp = - (((1 - APL)*(%wartime)) + %wartime)
ELSE Komp = (APL) * (%wartime)
----> Komp = 17.2
PROT = NW%lost + %wartime + ((%galNWlost)*(%wartime)) + Komp = 41 + 6.6 + 46.2 + 17.2 = 111
IF PROT<0 THEN Penalty=PROT; ELSE Penalty=0; END
----> Penalty = 0
-----> BPROT = NW%lost + %wartime + ((%galNWlost)*(%wartime)) + Komp + Penalty = 111

Apparently this is a kase of a big fam abusing a small fam for 72h, taking around 160 planets, so penalties are applied and they have only 3 tiks of protektion, while the abused small fam has 111 tiks of protektion to rekover from their big loses. (farming Kase #1)

I'd like to test it for a more equal war, muzh longer in time, and where the losing side is not hurted that muzh.
Any volunteer?

Fig running?