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Topic: I remember when people said "the border wall was unfunded and wont..."

When they said the border fence program was unfunded and wont be built. I however, like Black_Wing and The Yell insisted it would be built...


Voila it is under such fast construction that some area's are caught off guard at how fast it is being built.

So how bout those "I was wrong" statements?



Any liberals going to actually say it?

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Re: I remember when people said "the border wall was unfunded and wont..."

I couldn't care less about the border fence and never had any opinion on it. However, I found this story quite funny and ironic when it came out

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6626823

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Re: I remember when people said "the border wall was unfunded and wont..."

lol

I never voiced an opinion about it either. Although, it's a terrible sad thing to do, I think.... Face it, all other walled borders have quite a bad feeling about them: Berlin Wall, the Israeli wall, the Iron curtain, the Korean wall....

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Re: I remember when people said "the border wall was unfunded and wont..."

Well, the other option would be mining the border. We could give it a snazzy name like "Wheelcap Alley".

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They would steal the mines and sell them

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Immigration policies are simply put as the act of licensing movement. In this light, it is easy to see why the enforcement of artificial borders is not just a restriction of movement, but a way of inflicting higher costs, and even taxes, in a burden that will not just affect the "legal citizens" but also the "illegitimate" population. An individual's right to property confers the right to own property /anywhere/, and in this sense political borders become not only an obstacle to movement but an encroachment of property rights. It is no different than the licensing of motor vehicles and their operators, since it restricts not only the manner in which one may use their property, but increases the cost of obtaining that property and having to earn the "privilege" of using it. In no way have driver licenses made the roadways safer, and in no way will licensing movement prevent bad things from happening. What they do provide is an extra source of State funding and ease of surveillance.

It's also quite ironic that America's attitude today toward the illegal immigrants seems like it has a very familiar ring to it, when we remember the treatment of the waves of Irish, Jewish, Chinese, Italian, and even the Catholic immigrants in the 19th and early 20th centuries. The American heritage is nothing /but/ immigrants. If you live in America, and at least one of your previous generations arrived on a boat, your family was likely met with precisely the same sentiments of nationalism and economic protectionism, even /racism/, that is being directed toward illegal immigrants today. Your grandparents or even great grandparents were considered, at one time or another, to be criminals, job stealers and tax avoiders; just as much as that group of Hispanic immigrants loaded into the back of a pick-up heading to the job site that you saw on your way to work this morning.

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Re: I remember when people said "the border wall was unfunded and wont..."

btw Berlin wall and iron curtain were to keep people in.

Israel Wall is to keep terrorists out (and it is working)

Korean wall? You mean the DMZ? That stretch of land has kept the peace for decades now...


The United States border wall is to keep drugs and illegal aliens out. Not to keep Americans in tongue

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Re: I remember when people said "the border wall was unfunded and wont..."

Walls work both ways, Einstein.

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Re: I remember when people said "the border wall was unfunded and wont..."

Um... if it's an unattended wall, then it does.  However, the moment workers are stationed at the wall to create exceptions to the wall's enforcement, that argument falls.

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Re: I remember when people said "the border wall was unfunded and wont..."

like acolyte said it works both ways

when america's economy is demolished and mexico's is excelling tongue you guys will be trapped HAHA!!

the mexicans got you to do their dirty work for them wink

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@ Acolyte

Oh yea, Americans are flocking to Mexico at the rate of what.......5 a year ?
If caught in Mexico, as an illegal......L:rolleyes::rolleyes:K out

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> Black_Wing wrote:

> @ Acolyte

Oh yea, Americans are flocking to Mexico at the rate of what.......5 a year ?
If caught in Mexico, as an illegal......L:rolleyes::rolleyes:K out


Americans are flocking to Mexico for lower gas prices.  OWNED!

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that fence is a offence against mexico and all of middle and south america, a region with an growing number of socialist governments. in the long run it will cost a lot more of political credit than it is worth in ths short run.
that fence is like a dam, an the mexicans are the water. they are just damming up behind it and someday they will burst the fence like the hamas did with the wall to egypt. than the us border patrol will face hundreds and thousands of people on many spots at the same time and that again and again. peole will get hurt, people will die. bad media for the US again and again.

south america is turning red (political), that fence will do its part for middle america, because the unhappy population can't find a better life in the north now and has to stay at home, rising the heat for their administrations to help them out of poverty. in the end governments will turn socialist, getting china in and the US out.

@Einstein: What to do when the americas have turned "red" south of the rio grande?

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Re: I remember when people said "the border wall was unfunded and wont..."

cheap markets that can't compete with the US, that's what it means.

it's really no big deal. there's six countries that matter: brazil, argentina, chile, columbia, venezuela, and mexico.

the rest are about as significant to international politics as say...canada or netherlands.

columbia is anything but red, and has made some recent gains against the FARC.
chile may have a left-leaning president, bachelet, but its economic policy is not.

that's 2/6 so far.

mexico? they threw off the 80 year tyranny of the PRI dinosaurs. mixed success with the PAN, but hard to fix 80 years of institutionalized mess in 6 years. they are not anywhere near being/going red.

score is 3/6.

argentina has the pendulum swaying towards the left, kind of like spain. still bitter about the fascist past. red? not quite, socialist yes.

brazil, yes, socialist government, fascist police, and two-tiered society. hard to call it either way.

and we all know the misery that Venezuela is in.

so in the end, half are not red, 2 are leaning in that camp, and brazil is perennially a mess. new movie coming out about Brazilian police, supposed to be really, really good, considering the Brazilian police tried to can it, and some movie elites called it politically incorrect.

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don't talk about my canada X(

even if it is true X( big_smile

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"canada or netherlands. "

It's "THE Netherlands". X(

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Give me your tired, your poor...






NOT

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Re: I remember when people said "the border wall was unfunded and wont..."

That fence is nice and all, but Penn and Teller already proved in their show on Immigration that the wall can be climbed over, dug under, ripped right through; all in a matter of minutes. It does nothing but look ugly and waste money. I really hope my tax dollars didn't go to build that stupid piece of crap. I'd rather spend it on teaching people how to read and maybe even teaching the illegals to speak friggin English.

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Re: I remember when people said "the border wall was unfunded and wont..."

touche, esa, a palpable hit

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Re: I remember when people said "the border wall was unfunded and wont..."

You go ahead and try to get most common illegals to cross over the fence, I dare you!

Then you fund the expense to dig under, get caught (inside US lines by a good distance) and lose your equipment permamently!

Ripped right through? HAHAHA! Nice, you go ahead and do so and never get outta the US.... prison system that is.

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It's a crappy fence. It's not concrete. Have you seen it? Penn and Teller built a replica from the SAME MATERIALS and specifications as the wall that is to go up. There are MILES of this fence that will go UNGUARDED. It won't be difficult. They do it all the time. Grow a brain. You come back from hiatus only to become more stupid than you were before.  Besides, illegals get deported, not shoved in a US prison.

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Yea... the border is... LOOOOOONG. You can't ever patroll it. Fences won't really keep people out if nobody guards them... Silly Flint tongue

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And yet I guess you dont know the National Guard is on the border, and the Border Patrol is growing by leaps and bounds... the recruiting commercials are actually getting annoying X(


And illegals end up in prison all the time. They are the highest portion of crime per capita in the United States after Blacks, though in some regions they well exceed blacks, especially outside of the South/Southwest.

The border is being guarded right now, and will be guarded even stronger in the coming months.


First you said "Wont be built, cant be built, wont happen".

Now you say "Cant be manned, cant be protected, Cant stop the flow"

So when the fence reduces the amount to less than 5% of the current flow into the United States what will you say then?

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Um I'm not sure why you count me in as one who was sure it would be built.  It has been started but not finished and I think we're being lied to about it being finished. 

Besides the best defense is to bankrupt people who hire illegals with urban raids.  No urban raids makes the wall silly.

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Why do people trust walls to stop drugs?  I mean really.  Drugs are a product for which there is a very high demand in the United States, the supply comes from south of the border, no matter what you do; build up, build down, barb wire, electric wire, concrete, chain link the people who supply drugs will get past it, and if they can't there are plenty of people on YOUR side of the border who will help them.  Patrols don't matter there is no way you can monitor every portion of that fence all the time without it being ridiculously expensive.  Not to mention patrols need Patrolmen and as we all know, or at least should know, everyone has a price.

As for illegal immigrants the same thing applies.  It may drop for a while but there are a lot of Mexicans damn determined to get out of Mexico and eventually they're going to find a way to get past whatever you've got up there.

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