Re: The attempt to ban lead bullets

The anti-gun activists have co-opted the environmentalists in an effort to get the EPA to regulate lead bullets.

The claim is that lead that is used but misses, or used and hit - where the animal is not recovered, ends up in the food chain and contaminates our food.

Now a quick look at this dismisses it in the entirety.

In the United States we do not eat much of the carnivore type foods, nor of the types of animals that eat carcasses.

Misses of course are not eaten because... it is a hard metal with no taste that an animal associates as food.



Secondly the amounts in total, and compared to the population of the United States, then brings in statistics to show it is very not so much a hazard to society.



Thirdly the typical animal obtained for food stock is outside the normal hunting environment


Fourth we have the final tidbit. Even a pellet is a hard, inedible material. While some portions may get broken off, the typical large bullet is not going to get eaten by an animal. It is not tasty, does not have characteristics they are looking for, and will be passed through their body with very minimal absorption. This is then typically not going to get very far in future generations (tends to stick mostly with the mother, never passed by father, and the metal gets stored in certain areas where we do not see typical next generation spreading as well, thus making it null and void after one generation).


Finally... Lead like most of the soft metals consumed by mammals, ends up in specific regions of the body... Specifically in leads case it goes to bones. Humans tend not to eat bones to terribly much. Which means that lead is often not getting far.




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Re: The attempt to ban lead bullets

Anything that removes bullets and guns from the population is a good thing...but then again, banning lead bullets won't change the number of bullets being bought by the population...

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Re: The attempt to ban lead bullets

Is there a reason why lead bullets should be preferred to non-lead bullets?

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Re: The attempt to ban lead bullets

Same reasons it's preferred for plumbing - it doesn't rust, easy to work with, fairly cheap, with the added benefit that it won't degrade and explode the propellant

As a projectile it's heavy so it smashes through things, and when it hits people it tends to spread out to make a more effective injury.

The MAIN point is, almost ALL the ammo out there uses lead.  Steel ammo is federally banned because it's supposedly armor piercing.  So banning lead ammo is a stealth way to ban all ammo supplies in the USA instantly.

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Re: The attempt to ban lead bullets

Lead tends to spread, causing a larger exit wound, is far cheaper than other metals, does less damage to the barrel of a weapon (conforms quicker to grooves), heavier than average weight means it flys smoother, and more.

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Re: The attempt to ban lead bullets

Chris beat me to the punch, though we raised some different points

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Re: The attempt to ban lead bullets

Link to SERIOUS attempt to "ban lead ammunition", aside from for hunting purposes in some areas (in some places lead shot is not allowed to be used for hunting) such as banning lead handgun or rifle ammo?

Also I do not believe steel core is banned, unless it was recently enacted- I've had steel core ammunition before.

As far as alternatives to lead, there is a requirement for steel shot rather than lead shot in some areas. This isn't to protect people but to protect the wildlife in protected areas such as wetlands, which are popular places to hunt some birds.

There are other things to use for ammunition besides lead, but not entirely common, and they have limited practicality. For example I prefer Rottweiler Copper Solid slugs for my home defense gun, and they are exactly that, solid copper.

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Re: The attempt to ban lead bullets

pfffft, what if u get attacked by a werewolf? you'll be sorry you settled for copper wink

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Re: The attempt to ban lead bullets

Alundra where do you live that you have Werewolfs? I would like to hunt some big game, and I reckon those are considered big game.. tongue

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Re: The attempt to ban lead bullets

But seriously einstein, a link to an attempt to ban lead ammo apart from banning lead shot would be relevant to my interests. I am just suspicious of your claim only being what i had already mentioned, a purely environmental issue in regards to wildlife preservation. Did you know in some places (often the same types of places) you cannot use lead weights for fishing?

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Re: The attempt to ban lead bullets

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/16/enviros-petition-epa-to-ban-lead-in-ammunition-again/

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Re: The attempt to ban lead bullets

Solid copper?  Dude just beat them to death with $20 bills

I suspect methheads will break into your home, bare their ass at you, HOPE to get shot and then pick copper out of their butt to sell for salvage

@ steel core ammo  here's an article

http://www.thegunzone.com/762x39.html

basically the "cop-killer" laws banned any ammo capable of use in a handgun that had a solid tungsten, steel or hard metal core
then some jackball built a 7.62x39mm handgun

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