1 (edited by Justinian I 09-Jun-2008 10:32:08)

Topic: Republicans and the Military

One of the most entertaining things about Republicans is their defense for the military, and yet they know nothing of military strategy. Sun Tzu and Clausewitz would have laughed at them. Machiavelli would have included them among his examples of human idiocy in politics. Republicans do everything wrong when it comes to military strategy, and taken to a larger level, political strategy.

Granted, Karl Rove is a genius at divide and conquer, but beyond that their strategy about everything else is lacking and short-sighted. Waging a prolonged war, and occupying two countries with a military designed to be small, highly mobile, and effective, is stupid.

America's military is not designed like the armies of Imperial and World War II Europe. Back then, nations would field armies numbering in the tens of millions. This, added with the fact that other nations were less developed, allowed them to control global empires. In the case of the US, our combat forces today are much smaller. Our military is small, professional, mobile, and highly equipped and supported. Hell, most of our military personnel do not even have combat jobs. They are supporting the troops on the ground with logistics and information etc. With a military like that, occupying countries is politically unsound because it ties your forces down and thus limits your options, and with limited options your enemies can fill a power vacuum (Chavez and Iran). Secondly, though our forces are invincible in a conventional war, given the small but elite design of our military, terrorists are wise to use hit/run or suicide attacks. It gives them the initiative by taking advantage of an ability to inflict high damage at low cost thanks to the high mobility and inexpensive nature of their hit/run and suicide attacks. All the while, we are paying an expensive price to occupy them with our highly equipped professional combat forces. If you ask me, the terrorists have the strategic initiative. In fact, I think Osama bin Laden intended Bush to react this way to 9-11 so he could do just that. It after all makes sense. The resulting outcome is a US that is tied down with fewer options, pays a high cost for a war, and is losing diplomatic credibility. At home, our prolonged war demoralizes the country and causes it to go deeper in to debt at an alarming rate.

In order to regain the strategic initiative, we need to become more mobile than the terrorists, and able to fight them more cheaply. The military principles of speed, maneuverability, and terror are timeless and highly effective and efficient. Ghenghis Khan was a master implementer of them, and they have never failed. Where strength dominates, these principles have overcome them. America has the ability to do just that. We have tools at our disposal to be very effective in political strategy, but the Republicans have failed to use them wisely. In fact, we have the ability to be fast, maneuverable, and strike terror in our enemies at a level unheard of in the past. We should use our forces to strike hard and get out, our air force can be very good at this, and not give a crap about killing innocent people. With an America that can strike anywhere, any time, and cause great damage, no state leader will dare to oppose us if he knows he's dead meat. At the same time, we need to remember that coercion alone is insufficient to acquire our goals. Coercion and diplomacy need to be used strategically, in a way that is most adaptable to the circumstances. When coercion is simply ineffective and expensive, then don't do it when diplomacy is a just as an effective but less expensive option. We can't be afraid to assassinate state leaders, blow up their homes, and whipe out their military bases when state leaders oppose us like Hugo Chavez. In fact, if we have to kill a few innocent people then who cares. Whatever we do, however, we must keep our options open. To do that we must not tie ourselves down somewhere, rather we can use our military more effectively by striking and exiting quickly. Lastly, we need to remember that dictators who serve our interests and fear us at the same time are among our best friends.

Another thing Bush has done that confounds me is alienating Russia. Alienating Russia is dumb, because it compels Russia and China to cooperate against us. Who cares if Russia is messing with Eastern European countries? That is less of a concern than China and Russia cooperating. The two countries have very real tensions, and it is more strategically sound to concede Eastern Europe to the influence of Russia in order to get on with exploiting those tensions in order to undermine China's expanding power and demand for oil.

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"Another thing Bush has done that confounds me is alienating Russia. Alienating Russia is dumb, because it compels Russia and China to cooperate against us. Who cares if Russia is messing with Eastern European countries? That is less of a concern than China and Russia cooperating. The two countries have very real tensions, and it is more strategically sound to concede Eastern Europe to the influence of Russia in order to get on with exploiting those tensions in order to undermine China's expanding power and demand for oil."

Your way of seeing things can have some problems, yes your army is mobile enough to hurt anywhere any time. But sometimes you have to think out of the box. Russia and China will become more friends if US starts to kill every political lider tha oppose US. The key to your argument is "Coercion and diplomacy need to be used strategically" And at this momment US fails in that.

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Yikes skoe :S
Justinian, ehh, isn't that what the "terrorists" are doing?
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"use our forces to strike hard and get out, our air force can be very good at this, and not give a crap about killing innocent people. With an America that can strike anywhere, any time, and cause great damage, no state leader will dare to oppose us if he knows he's dead meat."

How about we form a collalition of man and wipe out america because they are killing innocents and have enforced a totalitarian regime upon the world.

See my signiture for the result of this.

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Freelancer,

Yes, thank you. Not only is America using its coercive powers without much strategy, it also isn't making optimal use of diplomacy. It's about knowing when and how to use coercion, and when and how to use diplomacy. Bush apparently doesn't understand much about when and how.

Aroc/Skoe,

I do not have to remind you that fanatic leaders are rare, and most are not going to wage a costly war of mutual destruction. It could come to that, but of course with the "strategic" or "adaptable" use of coercion and diplomacy that wouldn't happen. We would not coerce people around enough to force them to do that. You aren't going to fight a robber who asks for one dollar, but you will if he tries to wantonly kill a family member or steal your life savings. I am not talking about an Assyrian Empire, "Do as we say or DIE!" That got them owned. I am saying that diplomacy and coercion need to be done strategically. In what formula will the two yield optimal results for America? When it comes to war, I am talking about more effectively using America's military. I am also implying that we should let countries know that we are willing to talk and collaborate, but if you want to go Hugo Chavez or Osama bin Laden, you're dead meat. It's the speak softly and carry a big stick adage.

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I doubt it has to do with "republicans" justinian.

Truth be told, it has to do with politicians - as sun tzu clearly states, there are military leaders and their are leaders of the country - people leaders.  Truth is, our people leaders want the acclaim of a war, but they don't want the negative poll numbers, so instead of letting capable generals handle it, they pull the strings - so yeah, sun tzu would laugh, but i think it would be more at the way politicians have decided to attempt to contol the military instead of just telling it who to get and letting it do it's thing

7 (edited by avogadro 09-Jun-2008 15:44:50)

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i love when Justinian mentions Sun Tzu, it just reinforces my image of him as some kid who's read the art of war one too many times.

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There's worse books he could have read one too many times.  smile

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Actually what Clausewitz and Sun Tzu would complain about the USA is our "king" eg the People is too fickle to run a good war.  "We" can't keep focused on the goals.  It's pointless to tinker with tactics and operational aspects of war if we keep flipping the strategic goals.

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