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Topic: Democrats retiring by droves

At the national level Barney Frank just made news with his retirement... but the news cannot stop with him.

In many States, my own included, retirements are at an all time high. Indeed redistricting has eliminated many gerrymandered districts which is set to eliminate a number of 'clingers'. 

The defeat of 2010, seen as a clarion call against the corrupt Obamacare bill, has effects far reaching beyond the norm thanks to the ability to redistrict after handing the Democrats such a stunning set of losses.

No one can be sure what the future holds they say... but the 2012 election cycle seems to be headed to a major increase in the number of Republicans in the House and Senate.

As some may recall in 2006 the Democrats, riding an anti-Bush train, gained a extremely large number of Senate seats. Those one term incumbents will now have to defend against a resurgent Republican party. In short for those not in the know... The Democrats are defending way to many Senate seats this election than is the norm, and it is likely they can lose the Senate almost to the point of not even being able to block legislation.

Many more States are poised to start pushing right to work, right to life, anti-immigration, and other laws as never seen before after the election. The tide IS turning, and Democrats are on the ropes.

Indeed party discontent is seen deeply in the Occupy Movement where Occupiers are known to be upset with the Democrats for not having fundementally changed the United States with their Super Majority back in 2009.

Satisfaction, and donations, in the Democrat party is low, and those inside have worries of things to come from Fast and Furious, Solyndria, LightSquared, and other programs pushed hard by the administration (often benefitting donors).

Coming on the heels of a damning news report showing insider trading by ex-house leader Nancy Pelosi and with other major players reeling from their own ethics charges, the Democrats seem to have a leadership crisis to boot.

However no one is looking for leadership from Obama, as Democrats are already showing a deep unwillingness to be tied to the President or his 'accomplishments'.

Nor is there evidence the President himself wishes to lead. They assigned Biden three critical States after conceding Obama might not play as well in those swing States right now.

World wide discontent with Obama is reaching new levels with his burning in effigy in Pakistan, his policys being rediculed by European leaders, and with policy failures in Iran, Syria, Israel, and elsewhere.

Business leaders have also turned on Obama recently, showing major discontent with his administrations new regulatory growth spurt. Most outright blame Obama for the failed economy while some point at departments such as the EPA.

Hope and Change seems to have resulted in Depression and Scary Change for the Democrats.

With such hurdles before him, how can Obama win in 2012?

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Re: Democrats retiring by droves

I like how it is gerrymandered when democrats do it, but 'redistricting' when republicans do it.... you realise it is the same thing, and you can't label it bad if "they" do it and good if "you" do it...


And it sounds like the democrats are in a similar position to the republicans were in 2003/4 heading towards that presidential election, in which they managed to organise enough to make it through.... i would think the democrats will do the same.

I hope you see the reflections that are inherent in what you are trying to say.

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One difference, though, is the source of discontent.

In 2004, the major issue where the Democrats were gaining was the Iraq War.  Serious issue?  No doubt.  However, except for people with a direct vested interest in the conflict, the war was still far away from the people... even if I don't like the war, it doesn't affect me enough to where I can stay home, or find some other issue that means more to me.  Thus, although there's a focal point of discontent, it's not a good issue, really...

The 2012 election, however, has three major discontent issues: the economy, deficit spending, and health care reform.  Deficit spending... I'm willing to concede that's a distant issue, because it's been an issue for two decades.  I'll also concede that, aside from the business sectors which are making calculations of future business practices, discontent in this area would be abstract... but the Tea Party movement should sort of indicate that it has a good amount of discontent.

However, the economy is consistently one of the defining issues every time an election occurs at the same time as an economic downturn.  The reason is very simple: no matter your political affiliation, most all of us need stable jobs, a stable income, etc.  During a recession, a giant portion of the population becomes unemployed (and thus becomes discontent).  Another pile will see income drops.  Then you have the family members of each person affected... and the unique thing about this... unlike most every other issue, this is an issue of life and livelihood for almost every person in a nation as a whole.  The only other issue that seems to have such a similar effect would be large-scale warfare.  There's a good reason why, statistically, leaders presiding over bad economies tend to get voted down handily.

That, above all else, is why I'm pretty sure Obama's doomed next election.  It's amazingly difficult for a president to win an election during a recession... now, normally, some short-term tricks can temporarily offset the effects of a recession in order to create the perception of growth... giving more votes for the incumbent... but in this case, the economy is in a deep liquidity trap, and politicians are dead set against using fiscal policy to develop the economy through stimulus programs...

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A nation divided cannot stand. The world is on the brink to a very long process of economical crisis. It is now likely that the Euro won't survive through 2012. The coming crisis will be longer and deeper than the last had been. Has the Tea Party or the Republicans the right answers for a period of deep economical crisis around the world? I do not believe so. In times of crisis the US gathers behind the president and that is Obama. He is far more likely to spend money for the poor masses and support those who are in danger to drop from middle class to a poor level. The democrats are more inclined to rise taxes of the rich, for the poor and lower middle class always a good idea in economic crisis, because they demand for vengeance. The strange ideas of the radical republicans (Tea party) are only for good economic circumstances. Th coming election campaign will be harsh and radical from both sides, but in the end Obama and his democrats will benefit from the "fantastic" (lunatic) ideas of the Tea party-Republicans.

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Re: Democrats retiring by droves

@ You Fool

Our constitution mandates a census every 10 years and as the census reveals shifting populations the map of congressional districts must be redrawn every 10 years by state governments.  Those are the rules both parties have to live by.

PS if you wonder how that works...not very well.

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@ The Yell

The process wasn't my concern, it was Flint's labels where he puts a good spin on the process if it is done by his party, but a bad spin if it is done by the other party, when in fact the process works the same whoever is in power, and they will bend it about the same (i.e. as far as they can) to ensure the process works in the betterment of their power, be it personal or party.

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