Topic: How to gain peace between Israel and Palestine

Few here may know of the truth of the Palestine and Israel conflict.

Under British rule in the many years before WWII the population was low, there were Kews and Muslims alike living there (much like Jews lived in Tehran, Baghdad, and so forth, though they were a much larger

As pre-WWII tensions rose, many Jews started leaving Germany. Some went to Israel where they joined relatives. They prospered down there building new towns (akin to current settlement activity) and growing food where no one thought food would grow.

During, and after, WWII this influx grew dramatically. However in a similar corralary so did the number of Muslims.

During this time period England was ending their Empiree slowly but surely. Plans were drawn up for a Government but it was rejected in general by the Muslims and by extremists in the Jewish side. Conflicts started happening from both sides, while Britian drew down her forces. A civil war occured and the Jews won.

The Arab League was inhappy with this and decided to war Israel. Word was publically sent around... and the Arabs who left Israel, thinking to return with the armies, and be the leaders (who took the British name for the land, Palestine, as their namesake) of the purified Muslim Land... those who left were told they could never return. Those who stayed were given PERMAMENT RIGHTS as Israeli citizen.

The war, amd others since, all were won by Israel.

Then Israel tried to have peace by offering captured lands.

There has been no peace, ever.




My solution is simple.


Israel may no longer enter Palestinian lands, and Palesrine must recognize Israel. That plus a penalty for infractions. For every rocket fired that kills no one, you lose a square mile. For every mortar a square quarter mile. For every suicide bomber 10 square miles. Every helicopter or aircrafter attack four square miles. Every death of a civilian is an additional (trying to balance Pallywood versus reality being hard admittedly) two square miles.

Extensive camera use, owned by NATO and supplemented with other detection equipment to be used to detect attacks. New miles to be assigned by vidtim within these rules. New miles must be assigned one at a time, with placement immeadiately on the edge of the 'origional' border or placed so it touches (at corners or an edge) three other extensions in lieu of the origional border.

The only remaining issue would be WMD's and very large missiles which could kill thousands. Both should be banned from Palestine for eternity. Israel, under constanr threat of attack would have no such prohibition.


This would end the conflict

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Re: How to gain peace between Israel and Palestine

i have a simpeler solution....

nuke em both.

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Re: How to gain peace between Israel and Palestine

Better solution...let the northern hemisphere nuke itself into oblivion.

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Oh, and on a serious note:

> Israel, under constanr threat of attack would have no such prohibition.

IF you take from one, you have to take from both. Otherwise, radicals from whichever side is disadvantaged will
gain too much popularity.

The only way to end the Israeli-Palestine crisis is to send in the U.N.

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The same UN that had Syria as leader of the Human Rights Commission?

The same UN that took the ammunition from troops in several African blue helmet jobs?

The same peacekeepers who were under orders to only watch attacks on Israel from Lebenon?

The same UN that replaced the brigade of Executive Decisions with three divisions and lost control of a civil war?

The same UN that the largest two land armies inside it wont send ground troops on missions they approve?

The same UN that routinely loses billions of dollars?




Yeah what a smart decision...

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As for the other comment. No nation on Eart except Israel has had issues with the Palestnians. Israel however has been repeatedly attacked by Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and a whole host of others.

Currently they are under threat by a number jusg based upon the rhetoric from the leadership of those nations.

If Israel was ONLY threatend by Palestinians then your comment would have validity

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7 (edited by ~Wornstrum~ 13-Nov-2011 13:25:50)

Re: How to gain peace between Israel and Palestine

> Morbo the Annihilator wrote:

> Oh, and on a serious note:

> Israel, under constanr threat of attack would have no such prohibition.

IF you take from one, you have to take from both. Otherwise, radicals from whichever side is disadvantaged will
gain too much popularity.

I agree, and even if you think Israel SHOULD have WMD's or advanced weaponry, you don't think Palestine would ever agree with that? What do they get in return? Recognition? What would Israel get in return for that? Keep forces it ALREADY HAS? It actually sounds like the current situation with a few concessions neither side has ever agreed upon...

"The same UN that the largest two land armies inside it wont send ground troops on missions they approve?"

Which two?

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Worstrum I now deem you extremist, you will need to look up the answer yourself.

Ignoring that Israel is umder constant threat = I ignore your question

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9 (edited by ~Wornstrum~ 13-Nov-2011 14:36:37)

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I didn't ignore it...I simply stated that Palestine would never agree to it...

"Worstrum I now deem you extremist"

How so? Because I don't think Palestine or Israel would agree with what you suggest?

"I ignore your question"

My only question was asking to clarify your OWN statement...seriously, your last post has no point and isn't even accurate...

But I guess I need to spell things out. Yes, Israel has the right to defend itself, but you can't possibly tell Palestine "no you can't have any means to defend yourself, but your enemy can have what ever it wants". This is why I feel it won't work. Palestine won't agree with it. It also empeaches on Palestine's sovereign right to defend itself. If the US was told, "no you can't have nuclear weapons" during the Cold War, do you think they would agree to that?

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There's only one solution that I can see to the Palestinian / Israeli conflict:
Two independent states with a mutually governed territory under a territorial mediation council.  The territory would link Gaza with the West Bank allowing for free flow of goods and people (both Israeli and Palestinian) Jerusalem would be a mutually governed, shared capital, with two parliaments each independent in their respective representations at the state level, and a municipal mediation council providing representation at the municipal level.

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Except the problem of Palestinians wanting to kill Jews it might be plausible.

The punishment for violence must exceed the benefit for violence, and must operate to punish not the individual, but the society as a whole, only then do you stop suicide bombers.

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The best solution is to grant Palestinians American citizenship and bring them over here with semi-autonomous status, to keep those Californians in line.

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"The punishment for violence must exceed the benefit for violence, and must operate to punish not the individual, but the society as a whole, only then do you stop suicide bombers."

You have established your deterent proposal, but what do Palestine and Israel really gain from your solution? Without a benefit to both parties, neither would actually agree (as realist theory would predict). All you have established is a deterence, but what happens when Israel stops more flottila's? It is not a direct act against Palestine, so wouldn't fall under your theory of deterence. It essentially is saying "stop the violence" but we don't give you anything, so I ask once again, WHY would Palestine ever agree to this?

Xeno makes progress in that regards, by trying to compromise on issues that actually causing tension. Your OP merely is a justification for Israel to own a large standing army (yet the point you are trying to make is peace)...Realist theory would predict your idea won't work...

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> Einstein wrote:

> Except the problem of Palestinians wanting to kill Jews it might be plausible.

The punishment for violence must exceed the benefit for violence, and must operate to punish not the individual, but the society as a whole, only then do you stop suicide bombers.

I disagree.  The punishment for violence must be proportionate to the heinousness of the violence incurred, mitigated according to the circumstances in which the violence was perpetrated, and must operated to punish the individual, NOT the society at large, for only they do you stop the cyclical recruitment of terrorists.

Damn.  Flint.  Before you run for office, you really ought to take some criminology classes or something.

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"compromise on issues that actually causing tension."

I'm not comprising anything.  What do you think I am compromising?  I am stating a solution which would actually address concerns on both sides:

The Jews who fear for their safety from Palestinians can live in the Israeli-controlled partition. The Palestinians who fear for their safety from the Jews can live in the Palestinian-controlled partitions.  The Palestinians and Jews who figure they might be able to get along with each other can live in the joint-governed territory / Jerusalem.

Re: How to gain peace between Israel and Palestine

nuke them both and tell them to shup, or stfu, what ever makes more sense, cause they are the ones pushing this world to the brink, with their eon long bullshit.

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No point in nuking them.  If they carry on like this, they'll just nuke themselves.

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"I am stating a solution which would actually address concerns on both sides"

That's what I meant, I am agreeing that your solution is better.

"Jerusalem would be a mutually governed, shared capital, with two parliaments each independent in their respective representations at the state level, and a municipal mediation council providing representation at the municipal level."

This is a compromise, because both parties want dominant control, so they would be compromising for dual control. Each party would be making a concession to the other for dual control, thus a compromise between the 2 parties...

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in WW2 when the germans occupied the netherlands, we had freedomfighters aswell killing nazi's and shit. the world has confirmed that israel is occupying palestina ground and building on it. Why is that worse then what we did in ww2?

For the western world israel is democratic country civilized, and palestine some dumb inbred terrorists.
its all about public opinion and we dont have a way to be objective about it, if all u get to hear is crap about them palistines on the news.

I would fight and die for my country aswell if it would be occupied by a foreign nation.

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Israel is building on lands they control, not lands ceded to the Palestinians.

Get your education and facts right.

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There will never be a solution for the Jews, they have been destined from the beginning of time to fight and die. They are a part of the 12 tribes. Hence they will be fighting until the Glorious Appearing which is when God returns to gather those he left behind and to finish off Satan and the Anti-Christ at the Battle of Armageddon.

That sounded like I was religious but I am not. All I have to say though is that the Jews were destined to be slaughtered and fight. Throughout history that is what they have seen and have been taught. They all follow the word of God/Yahweh/Jesus and they follow it to a point where they will/can not change their minds. Which is sad. sad

Re: How to gain peace between Israel and Palestine

Nuke them until they both glow equally.

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Re: How to gain peace between Israel and Palestine

I know how to solve the problem. Get the UN to dress in stripes, punch gloves, keep all hits upside the belt... Lets get it on!

Really, why is everyone holding them back? There will never be peace until one side dominates another, let them go to war, if the palestines ha e the balls to shoot rockets at unsuspecting civilians, and their government supports it, why not let israel defend itself by eliminating their immediate threat?

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Oh I know why, because everyone is scared of war right? I can tell you who isnt, the israelis...

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Re: How to gain peace between Israel and Palestine

> Really, why is everyone holding them back? There will never be peace until one side dominates another

The different outcomes will benefit different parties.

> I can tell you who isnt, the israelis...

Yes, they are. They are heavily out numbered, isolated and hated by their neighbors.

The only solution is to send in the U.N. And i never said the U.N. *could* do it, that's just the
only solution. The only solution that doesn't require complete annihilation of the northern
hemisphere anyway...

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