Topic: That Norwegian Guy

I'm surprised of not seeing a thread here on him.

Belgian media are tumbling over one another to link anything from his manifesto to anything Belgian and demonise that. Psychologists are gnawing their pencils to find an interesting new hypothesis as to why he did it. Everyone is milking this as much as possible.

Except for extremists, noone even dares suggesting that the guy wasn't totally batshit insane, out of fear to be associated.

Me, I think he's a freakin mass murderer and should be locked away forever. But it takes a special sort of person to dedicate 10 years of your life mapping out a 70-year long campaign, and in the meantime weigh every single decision in function of that, throw in all your assets, and execute your plan with full knowledge of the consequences. I don't think such a person is insane. Truly dedicated, to a wrong cause perhaps, but still.

Your thoughts?

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2 (edited by RisingDown 27-Jul-2011 20:16:36)

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I think this guy was insane... however, that does not take away that he might have taken some inspiration from several hatespewing politicians such as Geert Wilders (that he then developed in his poisoned mind to crazy ideas).

He may be crazy but this is more a "bullet from the right" than the murder on Fortuyn was a "bullet from the left".


it is unbelievable that people this insane still live in the West...

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i think that it is so unbelievable that nobody has words for it.. I just can say RIP for every victim

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4 (edited by Justinian I 27-Jul-2011 22:11:11)

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Obviously the guy:

1. Had an unusual preoccupation and contempt for the particular values espoused by Norwegian society.
2. Valued his christian and nationalist values more than his life and freedom, and the lives of the people he killed.
3. Convinced himself that the actions he committed would or probably would result in an outcome he desired.
4. The psychological penalties restraining such behavior were either absent or effectively suppressed.

I think his writing strongly suggests that he suppressed those psychological restraints. In that case, he was acting as a perfectly rational human being, intent on doing what he thought was necessary to realize his ideals. Unfortunately for him, his assumptions were flawed and the majority of the people sympathetic with his nationalist values are unlikely to sympathize with him or the methods he pursued. Moreover, nationalist sympathizers have reason to be upset because his actions will undoubtedly set their cause back in the short-run. That's all that needs to be said.

And forget the psychologists. Psychology is far too corrupted with theories that clearly fail to satisfy scientific values. Psychologists embarrass their theories on television when they hypothesize that a woman's decision to pay a plastic surgeon to enhance her breast size as a high school graduation gift was motivated by her low self esteem. I could continue to rant about Psychology, but I'll leave it at that for the purpose of staying on topic.

5 (edited by [PW9]~KT~ 30-Jul-2011 05:49:45)

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I havent read any of you calling him a terrorist, also media informants dont want to call it terrorism, [ ]?

Is it only terrorism when muslim plant bombs?? I bet u my life, if the guy had been a black muslim, every TV channel in the occidental world would be talking about 'arab terrorists' 'alQaedas' 'binladens' and his mum

And precisely this guy has planned to kill the most of people whose ideals are in favour of a peacefull convivence with people from any region or religion. But no, you cannot call him a terrorist because he's a cute blonde and civilizated nazi (??) ... hypocrites

Now, dont you guys be stupid to believe what media tells you, right? the guy planned it for several years, yes, but he had help, he was not alone, and he's not insane at all. He's only the executor, there's important people behind, but you WILL NEVER KNOW those names.

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Paranoid much?

7 (edited by Arby3 29-Jul-2011 16:06:32)

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paranoia is the objective, turn one peacefull state where life is good and security is low, stop that stupid north european tranquility. Make another police state, restrain liberties, etc etc etc ... (we all know how it goes, american citizens got a master at it by force)

1st step you have to follow to recover your freedom is turn off the TV when you have suspect they're lying you or not telling you all the truth ... [BLAM]... just switch to cartoons, they're more real smile

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He is a neoconservative crusader who hates muslims and marxists.

The inmates are running the asylum

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Justinian:

I agree with you to the extent that his assumptions on reception of his actions are flawed.

And I indeed dislike what the media is doing now: tainting all nationalist ideology with his actions. His ideas on what the problem is are valid. Integration of muslims in European tradition & society has failed and there is a conflict. His proposed solution however is medieval, in more than one way.

He tried to surpass the small impact of the typical Lone Wolf actions by creating a manifest / manual to set up an organization. A paramilitary one presumably. The likelihood of that to succeed, without geographical proximity, is unknown, since usually proximity is key to creating 'brotherhoods'. This internet age however can change that. Any takes on chances of successive actions by copy-cats or other genuine 'templars'?

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I agree with Justinian on both issues.

Its almost impossible to find any thread without render going paranoid over something. Maybe he's hired by someone tongue

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I agree with Render, you hit it right on the spot smile

It doesn't matter in what name/faith/god/religion or how you have been raised you do stuff like this, bottom line is, whoever does things like that is a terrorist.

And I noticed that about the terrorist thing too, first day they called him a terrorist on the news but that had worn of soon. Terrorist just describes a person doing a, very extremely bad, over the limit kind off thing, but what media is trying to force on us, its a group of people all over the world who declared war on us.

Problem is you can get security up as high as you want, but unfortunately, as we have seen throughout history, if people want to do stuff like this they will always find a way, no matter what the cost, even if thats dieing for what they "believe" in, thats the thing he forgot to do (I know why he stayed alive...I got a feeling he will be writing a book soon hmm sad)

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There is always one more imbecile than you can count on! tongue

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> Sol Invictus wrote:

.I got a feeling he will be writing a book soon hmm sad)

... 1500 pages long and publish it on the internet?

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If I ever go ballistic I'll have the decency of making my manifesto a week long sado masochistic orgy

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er...where do you live? Considering if I should encourage you tongue

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howdy neighbour

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17 (edited by Little Paul 04-Aug-2011 10:11:49)

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yikes

Belgium doesn't have any inhabited islands, so maybe look a lil more north. That is a mere suggestion off course, no hard feeling if you do it your own way. One ought to be free!

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> [TI] ZoZferatu [Pw9] wrote:

>  Integration of muslims in European tradition & society has failed and there is a conflict.


Do you hate me zoz?

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Is that personalizing the issue to dodge the point?

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20 (edited by [RPA] Arocalex 08-Aug-2011 14:37:25)

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Yes

EDIT: What I actually wanted to say is that it's not as bad as people want you to think. Belgians all assume that every turk and moroccan is going change his lifestyle, stop speaking his mother tongue and change their religious beliefs to accommodate to the europeans.
Pro tip, that never ever happens to every single one of them. It happens to a few and then a few more. Jews still haven't stopped being jews just because they move someplace else.

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21 (edited by Little Paul 09-Aug-2011 22:26:03)

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...but most of that was in an age with little education. People in Israel are less religious every year.

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and as a sidenote, I hope belgians one time speak English as a native tongue. Guess what, I'm Belgian.

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I'd rather piss off the french requirement and invade brussels and make it dutch.

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Its an option. I hope "Groot-Nederland" speaks English in 100 years then. tongue

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English? There is a bigger chance of that region speaking a mix of Tokkie, New Kids and De Jeugd van Tegenwoordig. With a "Soft G".

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