Topic: begin of round strategy for CF banker

can someone give me a short strat for a CF banker in the beginning of a round, never been a banker but been around for a while so i wont need a 4 page long strat tongue just some guidelines
thanks

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Keep it simple, just boost cf's until getting ready to ob. Then start ob'ing first with the most expensive building - tax offices if going cf/to to keep costs down. Goto 100% with whichever building your doing and then go 100-300% with cf's again.

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75:25 CF:TO is generally the best ratio for the most income.

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Yes, and while you're building pure cfs invest in research (Construction). You can also build RCs, but when I bank now I don't use RC I just invest. Others may disagree. But after playing banker for a while you should get the feel for it. Get construction up, will help you with the building TOs much faster and cheaper later on.

I usually start building TOs 1/2 through expo phase (varies), by this time you should have a decent construction bonus. When you start building TOs, you should start investing in economy as well.

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Another reason for building TOs half way through is that, there is still plenty of planets to explore. So as the planets come in I build pure tos on those planets (much cheaper). You reduce cost much more building on new explored planets and OB to 100%. Then pure cfs again.

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Pretty much, this is how I like to do it.

Early on build cfs only (rcs are optional... I prefer using the space for cfs and OBing a little bit with rcs but its your choice). Once you are at about 40-50 fully built planets, start building tos to fullbuilt on any new planets. Ob the older ones a bit. Once your capable of OBing past 100%, ob all planets you get to 100% tos before building new cfs on them. You will likely have more than 25-30% to ratio early round. But considering you stop building tos at 100%, you can ob with cfs later up to 700% without having your ratios go too fubar smile.

Portalling/building op defence is again personal. If I explore far, I personally like portalling early (one portal for my furthest systems so any planets being passed to me early on dont take me like 15+ ticks to reach). Start fully portalling once you can make 5-6 portals a tick. Build a decent ground/air fleet after you are portalled. Just keep the basics to take planets from attackers/station a bit before then. Always keep a fair op defence. Noone should be able to nuke you without jumping themselves. Dont go overboard, but dont ignore op defence either. Thats bout it smile

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Re: begin of round strategy for CF banker

ok cool, so i shouldnt build RC but instead invest into research, what should i research? 100% construction at the start and then switch 50% income and 50% construction?

thanks for all the responses smile

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I don't believe efficiency is actually gained in building TO's on a CF strategy.  Unless your in a low market, your paying the extra cost in iron that would be equivalent to the extra expendetures of TO's and having to wait extra long for them to come in.  Sure you'll make 17% more/building but your average buy back is higher which may actually be higher than the price you paid for overbuilding.  A pure CF strategy is...a pure CF build.  25% RC's will do alot more for your CF build than 25% TO's.  What TO's are actually good for are soully LQ's.  They will net 18% more income near optimum, save you money on food/building which can be as much as 25% gain over a regular LQ be a bit cheaper to produce.  You can't go wrong with TO's there.  As far as TO's in a CF strategy, I think they are doing well mainly because they are in general, good bankers but not because they are actually using the most efficient system.

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4 yrs ago wad attempted to make fun of me for pushing cf/to strat. It was already being used a tad at the time, but imo it was the safest strat to have 75% of your bankers doing and having a 10-20m gc a tick income was better then having your bankers on a - income during wars or aggressive e phase which only slows u down hugely.

Go cf/rc early on, dont be afraid to ob really early because u dont want to explore too fast till u got solid income then exploring and building becomes easier. Dont bother maken to's till later. This is a personal feel u have to make. In the old days with bigger gals i would wait sometimes till i had 800k income, a real small gal i might start doing it at 250k. Of course if your fam gets into an early skimish and needs the iron bad then dont decide u need to's then and u dont wait either, u keep building cf's, cf's and more cf's. Once u do start maken to's it is up to your style and fams style of to how many u make. Ive gone up to 30% before my jumps then bring it down to 17-22% and ive just tried to keep it around 18-22% all round before also. Always build the more expensive building 1st and ob with the cheaper one.:)

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bah stop trying to make yourself seem more important than you were PP tongue cf/to was perfectly widespread already 4 years ago tongue

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11 (edited by Ironwill 18-Jun-2008 11:20:07)

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"Always build the more expensive building 1st and ob with the cheaper one." -totally true for when saving money but slightly off...reason why actually is because of building cap

If the secondary building was RC that would be the case entirely but even when TO's concerned on a progressive LQ strat I found it most effective to build 2 waves of CF's (1-5 and 6-10) and then 1 large wave of TO's (11-25 and you jumping to 300%).  Yes, your going to pay an extra 2X OB on the TO's but your going to get the equivallent of 2 waves worth out within the first 25 ticks of a planet build instead of taking 30 ticks.  By then your first wave of CF's would have already paid for themselves, and your second wave will have paid for themselves by tick 33 which will account for more than the OB costs for building TO's than in 2 seperate tandums like some people do (1-15TO and 16-30TO).  By time you hit tick 45 and the second wave of TO's have paid for themself, my combo strat will have PAID FOR ITSELF in a simular mount of time but with 2X the amount of income generating buildings on that planet.  IF you were to reverse this, it'd take you another 15ish ticks to do the same thing I just did.  Try it for yourself and see.  Want to be in the top 10? because I guarrentee you, even 70% of the active bankers are still doing there strat wrong.  Concider this a freebee tidbit

BTW, the 3rd wave can also be done with RC's in replace of TOs.

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you waste a hell of alot of iron doing that mate

I was using a metaphor that means God is watching us. You've heard this, there's a toilet on the roof.

13 (edited by Ironwill 18-Jun-2008 11:50:23)

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Okay, some math, even if you were to build reverse(77.5) of my strat(85) you'll have saved yourself 9% in iron building expenditures as your net average will endup at 19.375 iron average/building vs my 21.25.  You'll also have spent yourself 245gc/building vs my average of 275/building which will save you 12%.  The difference ends up to be to be just under 2 iron and 30gc....depending on your bonuses, thats a difference of 4 ticks worth.  It taking 35 ticks to produce the same amount of buildings sets the general strategy off by 10 ticks in time vs my strategy and my buildings will have paid for themselves at minimum 6 ticks sooner if you subtract the 4 ticks worth of extra income you need to pay the difference.

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that cant possibly be right lol.

"have saved yourself 9% in iron building expenditures as your net average will endup at 19.375 iron average/building vs my 21.25.  You'll also have spent yourself 245gc/building vs my average of 275/building which will save you 12%."

the percentage reduction has to be the same for both gc and iron lol.

if you build as i would, TOs to 0%, then 100% and then cfs to 300%, that costs 24.375 iron per building. If you build as you suggested that is 28.75 iron per building.

thats on average an extra 3850 iron per planet, which is quite alot at that stage in the round.

and you can't count exactly how long it will take to repay the buildings built. for the first week or so of TO building, you are constantly increasing your TO percentage. getting that up first is more important becos they affect ALL your cfs, not just the cfs on the planets your currently building. And so it gives a much bigger income increase than you're counting.

I was using a metaphor that means God is watching us. You've heard this, there's a toilet on the roof.

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Re: begin of round strategy for CF bankerbah stop trying to make yourself seem more important than you were PP  cf/to was perfectly widespread already 4 years ago"

Arch u dont know what your talking about+ you sound big time jealous. U play a game that has less and less players each round and your trying to be top dog in a small pool where all the better,elite players are long gone and the ones left arent evan active:).

Now i wont use yrs since time passes by so fast and it was longer then 4 yrs ago. 98% of ic bankers did lq/to strat the 1st 15-20 rounds of ic and it was so easy to bring down any fam and it was the main reason back then that fams made alot of naps in e phase and there wasnt much attacking+ when big wars came around the bankers use to enter v mode. U wouldnt remember that because u werent around and if u were no one surely knew of u ( i had the unforunate time of meeting u mainly in mw 1.3 yrs ago when u whined because u thought u deserved to share a system with our bankers lol) BABY!.

Those that did cf/to banking in the early rounds dident make much either and they started maken to's almost right away, some waited till they got to 25k income then started.

Remember i never claimed i invented it because i know i didnt. I took a strat that wasnt being used much at all and those that used it 99%+ werent doing it effectivly and perfected it+ made it popular and wrote many many strats on it back then. Early days when i was posting strats on it I was poked fun of by some idiots because they felt cf/resourcing was better and i certainly nevre understood why they would waste 50% income bonus just to make cf's only 1st 3 weeks of the round and go mainly resources rest of the round. DOH!

All the more experianced cf/to bankers today have learned it from reading my strats or people that learned it from reading my strats or from me. Ironic how people post things that are so similiar to what i said 5-6 yrs ago eh?

I made it popular because when we were going no nap in m00lar and dominating not just on the battlefield with laurence, but with infra by me. Yrs upon yrs we had the best incomes and there were reasons for that. Having cf bankers maken 15-25m a tick( depending on size of gal) and only going with 1 pop banker and once in a while 2 when it was 8 drafts.

I was writing strats on cf/to banking well before this, but it took a while for it to get popular since pop banking was way more popular and cf/resourcing was 2nd. U were considered a n00b if u did cf/to banking back then.

We won mw round 10 or 11 and we had a dominating e phase that left our allies in the dust evan and thats when things were being noticed. When we reformed again in tri for 4 rounds we made it evan more popular. People were still doing pop banking and cf/resourcing and our nw's and planet sizes were embaressing them.

I would imagine with todays addes gc/resources and shorter rounds+ smaller fams that cf/to would be the #1 banking strat going. The only thing a pop banker is gonna do is add some nw to the fam+ alot of stress. If u do have 1 u best make sure hes active and knows what hes doing and still starts off cf/rc then switches.

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I like CF/RC strat the most, only strat that has bonus compensation for planet and NW loss.  TO switch later.  Transitioning out RCs are probably the easiest shift in infrastructure anyone can make since your not actually removing an income producing building.  Not exactly for buying research unless I'm producing more than the collective difference in costs and income as and RC.  Forgive me if I like an reseach bonus before a TO one and not the other way arround.