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Topic: Development of social intelligence has a negative influence on the IQ?

Don't know if this actually fits in here, but I was just wondering about it. I would like to hear your view on this..
Social interaction requires a lot of effort, also many geniuses and such, sometimes have a lot of difficulties with social interaction. Could it be that, when growing up, when a child becomes more social, he develops a dominance towards the social aspect compared to other things (f.e. the things that make someone smart, the IQ..) If so, cognition could be split up into 2 big groups: the one related to social interaction, the other related to the IQ? (Cognition can probably be split up into more groups, but as relevance to this topic, lets keep it at 2) I'd like to hear your opinion on this.. Grtz

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Re: Development of social intelligence has a negative influence on the IQ?

Actually, I think that the problem with intelligent people is not that they have trouble socializing, it is that they tend to have trouble socializing with less than intelligent people. As a result, their social options are more narrow, and this tends to give them limited experience, which frustrates their emotional and social maturity.

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good point.. I thought about that too, but, lets say, people than try to surround themselves with other people that are on the same level as theirs, but still, less smart people usually give more importance to the social contact itself than smarter people do.. or at least have the need to express that in communication more often and far more easy than smarter people in my opinion.. (and I'm making stereotypes here, of course this doesn't go for anyone).

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They probably search for validation of their existance, or if what they say at the time is acceptable, etc, by asking other people because they cannot validate it for themselves.. or something like that.. either which explanation, i think less smart people have more need for it than smarter people.. and i wonder if it actually hinders the development of "what makes you smart" .. (oh yeah, its hard explaining this in english tongue )

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5 Reply by Justinian I (edited by Justinian I 10-Oct-2010 19:19:17)

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Well, most every human being has social needs, some more than others. There are plenty of introverted people with an average IQ, but the extroverted ones are simply more visible. In the case of intelligent people, they usually have limited social options, because frankly they do not care what 70% of humanity, the dipsticks, have to say. In an environment with a normal IQ bell curve, of course you would expect them to keep to themselves. But what happens when their social environment is not a normal bell curve, and instead they are surrounded by only other intelligent people? My experience is that a lot of closet extroverts come out, and the distribution between introverts and extroverts is virtually equivalent to normal people.

I agree that extroverted intelligent people are probably socializing less than their less intelligent counterparts, however I think it is because they developed personal hobbies in their isolation.

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If you hang out with people you don't learn as many tricks to calculating stuff and you score worse on intelligence tests

like a real genius could deduce the relationship of the sum of the square of the hypotenuse to the sum of the square of the two sides

most people just learn it and comprehend it and apply it

same thing with solving logic puzzles, if you are focused and dont know how to draw the key you could still do it, but its easier if you know how to solve them.

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justinian, you're probably right (probably, because its a theory tongue ) on that part where you say that (simplified) if smarter people grow up in a smart environment that they would behave the way they're born (either introvert or extrovert) but what I wanted to know was: (hypothetically and really absurd) If you take a human, clone it.. one would be brought up in a more socially dominated way. The other wouldn't be (I don't know how, doesn't matter, let's just say that would be possible and all the rest would be the same). Would there be a difference measurable between the two later on in IQ?

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8 Reply by Justinian I (edited by Justinian I 11-Oct-2010 07:36:56)

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Fudgeh,

I am afraid you do not understand me, but I see I was not using language appropriate for a non-native English speaker.

Here's what I mean. First, I will introduce the scientific conclusion that 50% of IQ variation depends on biology. In fact, they found that separated, identical twins (genetically equivalent) had similar IQs.

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1. Intelligent people are intelligent largely because of the genes they inherited.
2. Intelligent people tend to have difficulty socializing with people with substantially lower IQs than them.
3. Because most people have lower IQs, intelligent people have fewer social opportunities.
4. But most people are still social, and there are introverts and extroverts among intelligent people too, and the percentage of introversion/extroversion seems to be similar to less intelligent people.
5. Even if an extroverted intelligent person wants to socialize, his/her opportunities to do so are still limited. However, if a group of intelligent people are together, then the extroverts among them will express themselves.

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yeah, I got that, but I guess my paraphrasing is unclear smile and now that I reread it I understand why.. What I wanted to say was, I agree on what you said, but would there be a noticeable, measurable difference if the person chooses to grow up more socially (lets state you DO have the chance to choose such things). No, lets say it like this.. If a smarter person didn't have such limited opportunities to socialize and thus be able to socialize like any other, would it be possible that he'd grow a dominance towards the social side, and would that effect be measurable in his IQ? Imo, I think this has an effect, because since developing the social side costs a lot of effort, and if you don't have the opportunity to develop that, you have more "time" to develop the IQ..

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i don't think highly successful poets typically were bad at socializing but were highly intelligent... i imagine many poets were quite good at socializing. i think people that are often viewed as highly intelligent were obsessed with their field and obsession is detrimental too social interactions.

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i don't think intelligent people tend to have difficulty socializing with people of substantially lower IQ's. i think thats often an excuse anti-social people like Justinian, might use for why they are bad at socializing. "no one likes me, well, its because i'm smart". i think obsession can be detrimental to socializing though. and people that make large breakthroughs in an area and appear quite smart are often obsessed with the field.

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interesting point.. I don't agree 100% though.. Writers, I would classify in their own field.. they are specialised in (lets keep it simple) words.. if you ask someone who studies math a math question, he's gonna answer just fine wether he's intro- or extrovert.. so i don't think writers can be used for such a study.. oh and I'm not saying that my theory is right, I'm saying I want to find out wether it could be linked (social<->IQ) and how could one test such thing smile

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another theory is that people that are not good at socializing try to compensate for it through their studies.

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> TeePee wrote:

> interesting point.. I don't agree 100% though.. Writers, I would classify in their own field.. they are specialised in (lets keep it simple) words.. if you ask someone who studies math a math question, he's gonna answer just fine wether he's intro- or extrovert.. so i don't think writers can be used for such a study.. oh and I'm not saying that my theory is right, I'm saying I want to find out wether it could be linked (social<->IQ) and how could one test such thing smile

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aren't people that are good at socializing comparable to people that are good at math? i don 't think you can call someone insanely good at math a genius and not call someone insanely good at socializing a genius.

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yeah, I know what you mean, and my theory is probably wrong (and what you just said is probably the proof of that) but generally speaking you can't disagree that a lot of "smart" people have more difficulty socializing than less smart people.. and I'm wondering if the social part and the IQ part can be linked somehow (in the way that the one is inversely proportional to the other) And how would one start at this.. (Even though I know the result probably is going to be negative tongue )

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