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Topic: Who's the 'Man'?

What is the 'government'.  Who decides things, exactly?  Who, in fact, is the 'Man', anyway?

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Re: Who's the 'Man'?

the government is whatever institution is ruling you? a monarch, a dictator/tyrant, a president, a democraticly-chosen parliament, rich lobbyists? depending on what kind of system you use, monarchy, dictatorship, democracy, olicharchy, whatever.

or did you want an answer like "god"  or "big brother (is watching you)". cuz if you didn't, this thread is probably gonna get trolled by people shouting out those :\.

Maar doodslaan deed hij niet, want tussen droom en daad,
Staan wetten in de weg en praktische bezwaren,
En ook weemoedigheid, die niemand kan verklaren,
En die des avonds komt, wanneer men slapen gaat.

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Re: Who's the 'Man'?

Things unfortunately are almost always decided not by people but by money. Money is the man. Both in government and in personal lives

tweehonderd graden, dat is waarom ze me mr. fahrenheit noemen, ik reis aan de snelheid van het licht, ik ga een supersonische man van u maken

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Re: Who's the 'Man'?

I am the man!

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Re: Who's the 'Man'?

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What kind of people get the kind and amount of money that decides stuff?  I mean, money, no matter how little or how much of it, is always controlled by someone.

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they have a work ethic and actually make money or else they are trust fund babies

So I told the cop, "No YOU'RE driving under the influence... of being a JERK!"

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Re: Who's the 'Man'?

> Little Paul wrote:

> I am the man!



See, I was thinking of saying that the moment I saw this thread... but I decided instead to sit it out and see who would say that.  I was betting it would be Chris...

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i meant to, but something held me back....it must have been Little Paul's psychic power

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Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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9 Reply by Xeno (edited by xeno syndicated 04-Jul-2010 08:31:50)

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lol - because of that, Little Paul made it on my list of honor

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I'm not entirely sure who this man is (it could be LP), but I do know for certain that he is a homosexual... for he likes to screw other men (in the butt)

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East is just jelous.... and I am just inactive so didn't post....

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Re: Who's the 'Man'?

Bert van Marwijk is The Man.

Je maintiendrai

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Sneijder is The Man

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Stekelenburg and Robben are The Men.

Maar doodslaan deed hij niet, want tussen droom en daad,
Staan wetten in de weg en praktische bezwaren,
En ook weemoedigheid, die niemand kan verklaren,
En die des avonds komt, wanneer men slapen gaat.

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Re: Who's the 'Man'?

Xeno, I disagree. Money controls people not the other way around. People emigrate hundreds or thousands of miles in the hope of gaining more money, people choose one job over another because they will earn more money, people buy one breakfast cereal instead of another because it will save them money. Money is central to most decisions made by most people, whether that be the homeless person scratching around for enough money for a cup of tea and a sandwich or if it is the billionaire looking after his/her business interests to gain more money. For people living on the breadline money may be key to survival, for others it is an object of lust and greed. But most people wherever they lie on the social spectrum are motivated by money in some way. It doesn't matter what kind of people have the amount of money that decides stuff because ultimately it is the flow of money that is making the decisions, not the people themselves.

tweehonderd graden, dat is waarom ze me mr. fahrenheit noemen, ik reis aan de snelheid van het licht, ik ga een supersonische man van u maken

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Re: Who's the 'Man'?

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"It doesn't matter what kind of people have the amount of money that decides stuff because ultimately it is the flow of money that is making the decisions, not the people themselves."

You're saying that human beings are controlled by money rather than in control of money, or, in other words, market forces dictate our choices.  This is to assume that there is a free market to begin with that is not manipulated or controlled by people.

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Re: Who's the 'Man'?

I don't think that is an assumption because the motivation for controlling or constraining what would otherwise be a free market can still be a decision made by money, e.g. to protect an ailing (or fledgling) industry.

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Sitting Duck,

Good point.  But, the decision is being made by an individual, or a group of people, who have the brains and willpower to actually make the decision - the act of deciding.  Money doesn't have brains.

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orly? money doesn't litterally have brains?

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Yes, avo, that's my point.  Regardless of the dictates of the shareholders of a company, the CEO's decision in any company is final.

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I'm heading down a dead end street here, PASS! tongue

tweehonderd graden, dat is waarom ze me mr. fahrenheit noemen, ik reis aan de snelheid van het licht, ik ga een supersonische man van u maken

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Re: Who's the 'Man'?

Xeno, when people say they are sticking it to the man, they don't have to literally mean a man; whether money has a physical brain or not is irrelevant...

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23 Reply by [TI] Sitting Duck (edited by [TI] Sitting Duck 10-Jul-2010 17:10:11)

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Re: Who's the 'Man'?

What Xeno is getting at is who are the people who make the controlling decisions. I was trying to claim that it was money that made the decision so it didn't really matter who the people were. The dead end I was backing into is that two people may make different decisions or employ different strategies even though their motivation is the same, whether talking about two different individuals in the same situation e.g. The CEO of BMW Vs the CEO of Mercedes or people in different situations e.g. the high profile CEO Vs a government leader. Therefore it does matter which person/organisation has the most clout when it makes a decision, whether it is money based or not.

If you ask who controls our lives I would still say money

If the question is 'who controls the world' then the answer must specify whose money you are talking about whether that is the government, a corporation, an industry, who? Perhaps nobody, the world could be a ouija board where nobody thinks they are pushing:P

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"specify whose money you are talking about whether that is the government, a corporation, an industry, who?"

"Perhaps nobody, the world could be a ouija board where nobody thinks they are pushing:P"

This is the crux of the matter.  And the Ouija is a great metaphor.  I always thought there was one person controlling the Ouija board, usually the older player, who was just trying to freak out the younger, newer, naive players, laughing at them under his breath as he told them not to move the Ouija purposefully and just let it move by itself, while he himself did move the Ouija purposefully, making them believe the power of the Ouija board was real when in fact it was a sham.  This is a great metaphor for our economy.  The question is, therefore, who is controlling the Ouija, and who are the naive players?

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"Xeno, when people say they are sticking it to the man, they don't have to literally mean a man; whether money has a physical brain or not is irrelevant..."

Yes, I know, which is why I said, "regardless of the dictates of the shareholders of a company[money], the CEO's decision [brain] in any company is final."  It is really about the person in charge of the money and the fact that that person does have a brain.

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