Serenity u made my point for me

And wl i miss u 2 buddy back to my vacation anyway

> ~*~Serenity~*~ wrote:

> Lol, so in Renders [ ] up mind, a "challenge" means that he can violate any NAP/PNAP of his choosing... in the name of a "challenge" (or in other words, an advantage for his family).

A lovely message from Render:

Week 51, 16

hey Serenity are you gonna void it?

I canceled nap to have a fair 1vs1 war for EOR seeing as the mods arent ending pw early, at least we can have some fun. Frenzy deleting has nothing to do with this, really, I started thinkin on cancelling when Emi msgd me about those planets in nap violation.
You must agree those clauses in naps never should be done, it quits the fun in the game when you win wars just to hand planets to other fam.
But yeah I signed it, I should trade those planets but it's all a mess, so I thought you'd agree on fighting for them just like we did to gain them in our was.

Now you can jump and void it, but then, where's the fun and the fighting spirit? Come on, if you deserve to win this round fight and show it, but the fair way.

Signed, MithLake of Caliban (3908)

So basically, Render doesnt like obeying clauses in NAPs/PNAPs that he signs... so when people enforce them those players are "dishonorable." Render, we crushed your family earlier this round, we're going to do it again. I told my family and alliance not to backdown at BoR but they made the mistake to give you another chance. Now we obliterate your shithole of a family and all the dishonorable faggots voting you leader in it.

Congrats, you will be getting the "Most Dishonorable Player" vote from me for EoR Awards, youre so pathetic.

Something comes to mind here.. kettle calling the pot black?  or is it pot calling the kettle black?  something like that..

P.S Skyline's getting my vote

Shizzle on my nizzle!

~Jimbeolous~

*Shrugs*

Yeah Render is wrong to not give up his planets. Yeah he agreed to it. 06 are kinda acting like sissies about it, but they're right.

lol, Dishonorable Serenity talking a load of shit again.

half of pw are scumbags
render is just an idiot like Lee

basically Render broke NAP in the best interest of his family. You could've just said that.

I will rebuttle every point you make just so that everyone understands that we're not just flaming Render (08) but also rightfully so.
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"As most of you know, Render was forced to sign a nap at the beginning of the round in which he's not allowed to have planets in sector 1. He gained some planets through the war with 15 and thus some share's with 06/09."
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Render signed the NAP because his family faced extinction at the beginning of round, it was either NAP or being killed off, of course he did what's in the best interest of his family by NAPing, please be careful of your use of the word "forced". He did indeed gain shares through the war with 15 and shares with 06/09.

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"Lately, (this was before Frenzy deleted) Render decided to cancel his nap on 09 mainly to have some fun and I believe that he also expected them to cancel their nap with him sooner or later. 09 and 06 rightfully wanted their planets in sector 1 back."
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This is accurate.

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"One of his options was to give up the planets he had in that sector and thus all his share's in the core of 06/09 and wait till tick of war. Most probably you can all imagine the scenario where Renders family is getting obliterated (not even taking into account that it would have been a 2 vs 1 ) simply because the enemy posses planets in their core while they have none at first tick of war."
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08 cancelled on 09, then 10 ticks later 06 cancelled on 08 for the best interest of their alliance. If Render wanted a honorable war, he would have given the planets back and fought 09 for the first 10 hours. He had every intention to use the shares he acquired as leverage in order to defeat a "seemingly strong" family in 09 which lost two of their main attackers within the last few days. His obliteration was inevitable, and he chose to even the odds by performing an illegal action by agreement.

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"The other option was refusing to give back those planets. This would then mean that the opposing families would void their nap (templare admitted he would void nap if 08 did not give up their planets) which too would end in a death scenario for him and his family since now they can choose when to clear out his share's and when to raid his bankers."
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If you could, Ariana, give me one good reason for 06 NOT to void NAP, since 08 chose to disregard the NAP agreement in the first place. Ultimately, 06 never broke the NAP agreement, only when 08 decided to prematurely strike, did 06 jump fleet and respond.

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"So from a stratigical point of view, the best thing to do, for the sake of his family was to strike first. He would atleast have cleared his share's and kept his core clean for small period of time. It is already a 2 vs 1 with both families being bigger and it was pretty much decided that he would have lost the war from the beginning but atleast he is trying to do the best for his family and bring back some life in PW which is something nobody can deny."
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Basically he pursued dishonor in order to defend his family, that's fair, as long as he admits it. Since you're going to share the "full" story, I'll add a little bit so the rest of Pinwheel is better informed. According to key players in both 08/05, 08 and 05 have recently joined alliance and had been plotting this war for a while. Both family are fully aware of the advantages 08 has on 06/09, and it is the goal of 05 to use their recently acquired allies to both deny victory to 06/09 and compensating themselves for infrawhoring all round.

Since the NAP break performed by Render, 05 alliance has aided over 400mil gc and numbers of million of iron and endu to 08 alliance, in exchange that 08 will give majority of the planets they captured to 05. Because 05 still has PNAP with 06/09, they will be able to hold onto those captures in order to secure their victory in size. When informed that 06 will most likely exceed planet size after the war with 08, members of 05 immediately went forth to plan this maneuver. This plan has backfired to a certain extent, because not only was 08 not able to capture planets to pass to 05, they have lost over 500 planets themselves, despite having the NAP break advantage (all of my shares were cleared). So far, many of the retake planets have been passed to 05.

I must admit that this is not illegal and even clever in the part of 05, but objectively speaking, this would solidify the idea that 05 has failed to done anything significant (you read it right, I said it) this round while coasting to size win (and possibly NW win), while 06/09 managed to beat families that were worth while (including the previously top alliance, who similarly performed a NAP break in order to gain advantage), and beat them badly.

I told my alliance to not run into Uni News and run our mouths about all the controversy surrounding the war because we have decided to play with the cards that have been dealt, but since Ariana decided to post his subjective opinion above, I decided it was time for me to reveal all relevant information.

Best,
Templare (3906)

> ~*~Serenity~*~ wrote:

> "Lately, (this was before Frenzy deleted) Render decided to cancel his nap on 09 mainly to have some fun and I believe that he also expected them to cancel their nap with him sooner or later. 09 and 06 rightfully wanted their planets in sector 1 back."

Except he didnt cancel NAP before Frenzy left. Statement is wrong.

-----> I didnt know Frenzy was deleting when I brought the 'challenge' idea, and anyway, waht's the difference? with or without frenzy your fam was 2x our nw and 5x our saves.

"One of his options was to give up the planets he had in that sector and thus all his share's in the core of 06/09 and wait till tick of war. Most probably you can all imagine the scenario where Renders family is getting obliterated (not even taking into account that it would have been a 2 vs 1 ) simply because the enemy posses planets in their core while they have none at first tick of war.

The other option was refusing to give back those planets. This would then mean that the opposing families would void their nap (templare admitted he would void nap if 08 did not give up their planets) which too would end in a death scenario for him and his family since now they can choose when to clear out his share's and when to raid his bankers."

Key part of the NAP that you dont know about nor does Render obviously: Had Render handed over the planets that violated the NAP he signed with 09, we would have been required to swap planets with him. He could have then had us give up our shares. But you see Ariana, you never know the full story. Plus Render doesnt actually read the NAPs he signs... he just comes to uni to whine when they dont go his way (though he violates them on a constant basis). So long story short, had Render simply replied to the messages he was given by 06/09... he could have been on a much fairer playing ground and better protected.

------> BIG LIE! Templare never agreed on trading those shares in my core, he wanted me to give the spots in s1 and get other planets for the trade, but not those in my core. So he basically was calling me IDIOT by thinking I would accept such a thing, the nap was canceled, so at its expiration he woulda raid my core with those shares and kill my fam.

"So from a stratigical point of view, the best thing to do, for the sake of his family was to strike first."

Look at what we did to 3910/3915... we will do the same to Render for "protecting his family" (or as everyone not in Render's alliance would call it: Nap breaking)

Maybe one day you can get the full story Ariana. Since you sure didnt have it last round when you tried to cry "PNAP break" on mirc just to find out that they were prior coordinated attacks by your family. Your alliance has no communication obviously because youre always in the dark on what is ACTUALLY happening.

-----> Skyline was in chat with me and templare, maybe somebody saved that convo and you all can find out the 'truth', including you Serenity, acting like if you know it all when you dont know a shit.

Oh and btw, when you hit 3910/3915 they were alredy been hit by us, so dont try to take all the credit, plus you cowardly raped 3915 when they were at war and losing vs my fam, VULTURE!

*playing something little smaller then a violin but is giving more pleasure *

More -=Retired=- then the other bitches

>render wrote
>Oh and btw, when you hit 3910/3915 they were alredy been hit by us, so dont try to take all the credit, plus you cowardly raped 3915 when they were at war and losing vs my fam, VULTURE!

15 decided to hit us..... we left them alone and we had no plan at all hitting them..... but after they decided to attack our fam we punished them.....

More -=Retired=- then the other bitches

swarley said ----> "08 cancelled on 09, then 10 ticks later 06 cancelled on 08 for the best interest of their alliance. If Render wanted a honorable war, he would have given the planets back and fought 09 for the first 10 hours. He had every intention to use the shares he acquired as leverage in order to defeat a "seemingly strong" family in 09 which lost two of their main attackers within the last few days. His obliteration was inevitable, and he chose to even the odds by performing an illegal action by agreement."

you still dont get it in your small brain, I didnt want an 'honourable' war, it was a challenge to a fam x2 our nw and x5 our saves (seemingly strong lmao). Serenity was leading then, he coulda told me, "NO THANKS" and the challenge woulda been cancelled, but he's too proud to do such a thing.
I wouldnt even post anything at uni. THE ROUND WAS BORING, EVERYBODY WANTING TO END IT EARLY, ME INCLUDED..srrycaps, well that's the reason of the challenge but you dont want to understand.

"If you could, Ariana, give me one good reason for 06 NOT to void NAP, since 08 chose to disregard the NAP agreement in the first place. Ultimately, 06 never broke the NAP agreement, only when 08 decided to prematurely strike, did 06 jump fleet and respond."

So you tell me in chat you gonna void the nap and you expect me to sit and watch how you kill my fam, do you really think I'm such an idiot?

About the last part saying we are being aided by our allies well I can't see anything against the rules there, since it is our ally, and our saves were null, even to fight 09 only, so we need aid of course, and in exchange we give them planets.
Why are you trying to show this like "oooooh waht a low moooove!" when it's called ALLY COORDINATION.
And yes the initial plan fell like often plans fall, cause it was based on an exact cancelation date, and your fam joining the scene completely ruined it when I was forced to clear your shares.
Now we are retaking mainly, and yes the retakes are swapped to our ally, so its time you start to realise the more planets you take from my fam the more you're giving to 05, get it?

Now if you still want to call me dishonorable then go ahead, I care a lot, LOL, honor is a weird concept in the mind of a kid like you that loves to make it gangbang way. Remember in life you get back what you give, sooner or later.

All I've got to say. Temp took planets from 07 in my core even though he was not allowed in our core. Yet he told me stadard comp for a violation if the planet is conquered is a swap. And we swapped them.

Why did 09 06 not decided to swap planets? Instead they demanded the planets even though they knew 08 got those planets thru wars.

> Render wrote:

15 decided to hit us..... we left them alone and we had no plan at all hitting them..... but after they decided to attack our fam we punished them.....

yes WL but the exact word is "you RAPED them"

I know.... but that's called punishment..... We gave them a chance and they decided to try and war us..... if we hit back then and they get "raped" or I rather call it "punished to the bottom ranks" we just did what we had to... else it would have been a very long and boring pingpong bout a few systems and a very long and boring discussion here in uni about how bad we are fighting a smaller fam and how we are not able to win it with all our big savings blablabla.........

More -=Retired=- then the other bitches