Wrong both.

In a Conservative society charities result with more directed care than any government group can do, as is the cade with the shelter I am in got the night tonight.

And yet there is a place fort government safety nets such as the program I will probably be in tomorrow. It lasts three months and has strict requirements.

However no program, except for the truly & fully disabled, last forever.

Nor should they be given out like candy. For constant help breeds dependence and slothfulness. A person needs to survive on their own if possible.

Now some government is needful including safety nets, but a government that dictates volunteer centers (other than safety) is wrong.

>>But isn't a government obligated to support its citizens, in whatever way it can, to the fulliest?<<

Like to feed, house, clothe, educate, and employ them? Wouldn't running 100% of everyone's lives require (effectively, if not literally) 100% taxation to pay for it? How do you think that would work out? You're saying that governments are obligated to become tyrannies in order to "support" their citizens "to the fullest." Do you have so compassionate a response to the fact that the level of taxation required for this puts many people in poverty and in need of such government assistance? You're describing a circle of government creating need then fulfilling it until a complete totalitarian tyranny is in place. I think there's room for discussion of "social shelters" short of your radical academic justification (or advocacy, as seems more fitting a description here) for tyranny seen here, which seems to me to be rather limited. Perhaps you could expand on your academic urging of tyranny here that you merely hinted at?

Flint has a right to shelter!
And food!
And clothes!
His own room!
With shower/bath!
And cooking range!
Pressed slacks!
Black/Brown/Blue/Gray combos of sportscoat/slacks!
With shoes of various leathers and formality!
Vicuna sweater vests!
Styled hair!
Cologne!
Cable!
A truck to drive and gas to put in it!
Steady customers!
In Belgium!

"Like to feed, house, clothe, educate, and employ them? Wouldn't running 100% of everyone's lives require (effectively, if not literally) 100% taxation to pay for it? How do you think that would work out? You're saying that governments are obligated to become tyrannies in order to "support" their citizens "to the fullest." Do you have so compassionate a response to the fact that the level of taxation required for this puts many people in poverty and in need of such government assistance? You're describing a circle of government creating need then fulfilling it until a complete totalitarian tyranny is in place. I think there's room for discussion of "social shelters" short of your radical academic justification (or advocacy, as seems more fitting a description here) for tyranny seen here, which seems to me to be rather limited. Perhaps you could expand on your academic urging of tyranny here that you merely hinted at?"

You are so far from reality that I do not know where to begin.. Also I do not know if you really would try to understand...

> Freelancer wrote:

> "Like to feed, house, clothe, educate, and employ them? Wouldn't running 100% of everyone's lives require (effectively, if not literally) 100% taxation to pay for it? How do you think that would work out? You're saying that governments are obligated to become tyrannies in order to "support" their citizens "to the fullest." Do you have so compassionate a response to the fact that the level of taxation required for this puts many people in poverty and in need of such government assistance? You're describing a circle of government creating need then fulfilling it until a complete totalitarian tyranny is in place. I think there's room for discussion of "social shelters" short of your radical academic justification (or advocacy, as seems more fitting a description here) for tyranny seen here, which seems to me to be rather limited. Perhaps you could expand on your academic urging of tyranny here that you merely hinted at?"

You are so far from reality that I do not know where to begin.. Also I do not know if you really would try to understand...<<

How so? What's unreal about it? The idea that govt owes 100% support to everybody or the idea that people will abuse that commitment?  In Britain people on council housiing refuse to take a pay cut to work.

saturday exams are bollocks

"Git back in line! Lernin' from the Mastuh is yo pay, punk" -- Dragonfly Jones

I SLEEP IN til 5:30 on saturdays.

so i go to this liquor store trying to find good beer and not only do i find two different beers i've been wanting to try there, one of them is half the price that the internet says its sold for, and then i go to the register and compliment the owner on the beer selection and he is like oh, well i have this other store, and if you think the selection here is good, you will be blown away at the selection there; and then he gave me a card for his other store, and his other store is less then a mile from where i work!!!

sorry about being off topic, but i'm on cloud 9 right now and needed to share!

Well Chris i do make a good security officer....

But you are correct that my unemployment is still missing...

Now to sue sue sue!

@East

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edit: and unpaid to boot, why is it that any low ass manual job pays mucho $$ in overtime on weekends but they expect me to show up for free??? icon8 icon8 icon8 icon8"

Who are they exactly?