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While they intend to use the nanotubes for the space elevator sizes remain small for the tubes currently.

And you would pull it, not push out.

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What does their moving at the same time have to do with C?

I'm not following what you think you've established, because you mentioned a bullet or other projectile, and their energy is never distributed faster than C, whether you tie a string to it or get hit by or anything.

The only thing you've proven is that you can jump to conclusions.  If you had anything of substance you'd be able to explain clearly how it disproves relativity theory. "The energy will reach both ends at the same time if you start it at the middle! OMG!" isn't much of a show stopper for relativity theory. It's more like duh.

Are you saying that such a tube transmits the kinetic energy faster than C? Citation?

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"With all due respect to Lateralis I disagree. As a math scientist i am treating him as an equal and have provided him information relevant to my claim."

When you're ignoring him while he has superior knowledge of the field, you're not treating as an equal. Then you're insulting his knowledge.

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why i this in politics tongue?
*physics noob <- that was aimed at meself
*runs away <- hence i ran away

till the end of time..

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Cause this is the only place people still take Flint more or less seriously.

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For Kemp the ignorant:

Imagine a pipe 1.001 light years in length.

Normally if you push or pull on the pipe (asuming a device existed that could manipulate that much mass) there would be flexing along the distance nullifying the effort.

This is proof supporting Relativity.



My example is different.


Carbon nano-tubes however have a structure strong enough to take pull on each ends pulling it taunt (not at that length ofc but as an example for shorter lengths we will act as if it wont break).

So a laser beam is sent over a year to the target.

Meanwhile I order the weight on my end pulled. The other end gets moved enough to send a signal over the distance instantly.


Now reduce the distance/length involved wad the same still applies.... If light @ C cannot travel farther than the tube can transmit to then in the same time then Relativity is defeated.





Discounting my abilities is lame btw CC.

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"Discounting my abilities is lame btw CC."

I don't. I merely pointed out that you ignore Lateralis' point.
"With all due respect to Lateralis I disagree." is not a counterargument..

It'd be the same when I say to NASA that stars are in fact lamps hanged in veil by God. And when they retort, I just say "I disagree!". It's exactly that.

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He made his argument then i posted a link supporting my claim with all known properties of the material on question.

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>>Meanwhile I order the weight on my end pulled. The other end gets moved enough to send a signal over the distance instantly.<<

Where's your citation that such a tube transfers the kinetic energy faster than C? Instantly? Really? That's some special tube.

I don't think relativity is really supported by the fact that a long pipe can bend a bit. Doesn't really have anything to do with it.

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Sigh, I cannot help you here Kemp

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You said it hadnt been demonstrated. Meaning nobody has actually made a length of nanotube, and sent a signal down the length, faster than a parallel laser. 

I don't see how you can prove the untested physical properties of a material. If and when somebody can beat fiberoptic cable with nanotubes it would be the biggest shitstorm since focault proved the earth wobbles.  Maybe it could happen.   maybe fusion can occur without a fission reaction.  until it happens it ain't happened.

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>>Normally if you push or pull on the pipe (asuming a device existed that could manipulate that much mass) there would be flexing along the distance nullifying the effort.

This is proof supporting Relativity.<<

You don't have any idea what relativity is, do you?

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Go out to a few dozen websites where relativity is discussed and people try to debunk it before you schools me Kemp.

Long distance communication and things preventing ftl communication are considered enmass.


The very idea of a pole between solar systems has been used and debated extensively.

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"The very idea of a pole between solar systems has been used and debated extensively."

That would be impossible. The concept of the space elevator is meant as a cheap and easier replacement for rockets. It's meant to escape earth's atmosphere rather easily. It is not, and I repeat NOT designed to make a easy link between 2 planets or even 2 solarsystems, wich can't be realised with it because of how the celestial bodies move.

Flint, those people are probably the same that are still trying to make a pepertuum mobile. tongue

There's no way a nanotube can transfer kinetic energy faster than C. Simply because it travels through matter.

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Besides, this is not in a million years politics; Moved to General.

Flint, you should start making threads in the appropriate sections of this forum!

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not at all, althought you could not choose your target system because it would have to be free of the orbital plane of the system.  Can't have jupiter smash your interstellar bypass...

but the thing is, that even if the nanotube was just 1 atom thick, the stars are so far apart, a string of atoms between both suns would probably have more mass than the two stars.  even if it was just close to the mass of either star it would start pulling them in towards each other.  ordinary planets wouldn't have a chance to survive.  it's just a ultimate...doomsday...machine... O.O /drools

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School you, Einstein? Where is your citation that such a tube transfers kinetic energy faster than C? Without that, you've got...

Relativity has the farthest parts of the universe expanding faster than the speed of light anyway. It's not like that concept shatters the theory. You're telling me to look at websites, but it sounds like all you're working with is what 5th graders put on websites.  "ftl" and relativity are not enmass. Perhaps you need to expand beyond websites where amateurs discuss relativity before you try to "disprove" Einstein's field equations regarding spacetime, gravitation, etc. It's complicated stuff. It's not intuitive. Here you are claiming to have pwned Einstein (oh the irony) but you can't even cite us anything supporting your claim that any substance transfers kinetic energy instantly (an infinite distance, no less).

Why you think your pretend tube disproves general relativity theory is beyond me.

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Chris_Balsz has discovered the ultimate doomsday machine. All you need to doom mankind is.... more matter than a star! Good luck acquiring that. And once you do, it's a bitch to move!

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actually once you got the sucker started it would accrete matter to itself, guess there'd be a construction fleet alongside the growing end to disintegrate and align atoms

and it wouldn't move

it would just get built from Sol to Destination X

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If it wouldn't move, it would have to be built to some precise timing and be useful for mere moments!

I want my doomsday machine to be useful over a period of time. In a few billion years some asshole like man might evolve again and have to be killed to prevent him from destroying the world by breathing out.

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why would it move? It would stretch from above/below the solar system plane to say, alpha centauri like a highway to Hell, and Alpha centuari and Sol and their planets would be torn asunder by its superior mass, and rock and gas and plasma would flow along its length to collide in the depths of space millions of years hence. Bitchin!

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Had something similar to this in school

teacher was talking about quantumphysics and showed us a vid of how 2 paired electrons, even if they are at each other's opposite sides of the universe, would still both react at the exact same time when one of the electrons was stimulated. Was something about space not being the way we perceive it through our eyes/brains.

Didn't really understand it though so my explanation probably is really vague tongue.

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Solar systems are not stationary. tongue

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oh zarquon, that sounds just like A E Van Vogt's Distorter, with its instantaneous galactic teleportation of "synchronized" energies X(

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The carbon nanotube is held together by intermolecular interactions between the carbon atoms. These intermolecular interactions cannot exceed the speed of light in the same way that gravity or electromagnetic interactions cannot exceed the speed of light.

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