Topic: Obama and Katrina.... err flooding and environmental disasters

No bridges have fallen, no ships washed ashore, yet two disasters in one week (or two based on perspective) and where was Obama? Playing golf? Well despite his playiing more golf in one year than Clintpn and both Bush's played over 20 years he was not.

But where was he in the proverbial sense 3 States flooded, an oil disaster that could be the largest in the worlds history

Supposedly the Fedeeral Government had a plan for the oil. Special fire booms would burn the oil. But the feds found they had 0 of those If BP can make and land 1 dome surely the government with the largest navy can do three at once.

So Obama failed here if Bush failed in Katrina (despite the Democrat Governor refusing help even from the Red Cross and Salvation Army for the first two days.)

Then the issue that has TwistedPuppet, my lover/hater upset. Flooding has swamped three states and the Federal Response has been non-existant due to the low headlines (due to a car bomb that fizzled and the oil spill and Greece in riot) However the disaster is severe. Whole communities got cut off and then flooded out.

The Grand Ole Oprey is expected to be closed for as long as the Super Dome was closed Lots of people have died, are dying, and because the lack of Federal response, will die still.

Semi trucks were nearly entirely underwaster, roads have given away, there is no or limited drinking water.

Yet where is Obama the celebrity? Oh that's right, whiile people die he chose the next Supreme Court Nominee. He really cares doesn't he?

But but but it's all Buish's fault right? I mean Obama cannot mobilize the navy because of Bush, cannot mobilize FEMA and the National Guard cannot make an impassioned speech to rally sipport because we once elected Bush, who is of course no longer President.

And the Federal Government pays the wages of how many scientists? Can they not come up with a solution faster than BP? Or is that Bush's fault also? Or is it all Obama's fault?



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Last thread deleted for the following reasons


1) this is not a thread about Iraq

2) this is not about oil profits

3) this is about TWO DISASTERS, not just one. One taking an environmental toll, and the other taking lives and destroying communities

4) while Bush is mentioned, it is to show anger at the lack of anger and frustration with Obama versus the cries of murder and such hurled at Bush.





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Re: Obama and Katrina.... err flooding and environmental disasters

you want a comparison between the two?  or a comparison between the way the government reacted for them both?

Quack.

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I am saying people screamed that Bush was killing people by not going in as fast as was possib,e (even though the Governor said do not trespass to every outside help source)

But Obama does nothing, sits back as two HUGE disasters happen, and those that screamed at Bush are silent.


The silence is deafening.

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Well then they should ask for help.  I think the reason the governor said no is because it was his job to ensure the levys were in good condition.  He failed to do so and payed dearly.  Maybe it was pride, i honestly have no clue why he denied help.

Quack.

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We haven't heard about a massive flooding recently on our news.. So all in all it should mean it's of a smaller scale than Katrina. Not that it really matters, but it means we're less informed. If those people are forced to live in a stadium for several weeks like at the time of Katrina, I'd consider comparing it.

The BP disaster is terrible and Obama visited the scene (we got that on our news), but I don't think the man can do a lot there. If footage would show up where he was cleaning animals, you'd call it a cheap publicity stunt anyway..

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The man cant win.  Too many are banking on his failure.  Was it Rush Limbaugh that said he hoped obama failed and ran the country into the ground?  i dont remember.  It was some republican(jealous).

Quack.

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> Bartender wrote:

> The man cant win.  Too many are banking on his failure.  Was it Rush Limbaugh that said he hoped obama failed and ran the country into the ground?  i dont remember.  It was some republican(jealous).




Do you see any similarities between this and... oh, the same country 4 years ago?

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At least Bush had another 4 years before that to screw things up and earn his reputation. The other four he spent on screwing thing up even worse and destroy his succesor's reputation.

Quite an accomplishment, I must say!

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yes, we never support our leaders.  its sad.

Quack.

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That's always the case.
Our premier was elected with an unheard amount of votes: 800k on his name alone (the votes for the party not included). And after 5 years, his government fell once more and his reputation is more or less damaged to the degree he can't hold his position in this next election.

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on the one hand the US-people demand for cheap oil, on the other hand they cry when the disaster happens too close (instead of somewhere in Nigeria or Russia, where leaking oil spots are much more common).

In the 2008 election Mrs. Palin always told the people: "Drill, baby, drill!" They drilled and it spilled: "Spill, baby, spill!"

While Bush had to deal with nature alone, Obama has to deal with the oil industry and nature. To do something about the mighty oil industry would cause higher prices for gas due harder rules for drilling near the US coasts. The natural prolems are just harmless against the oil industry.

So, what shall Obama do? Socialize BP? Well, that would be fun.

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>> The BP disaster is terrible and Obama visited the scene (we got that on our news), but I don't think the man can do a lot there. If footage would show up where he was cleaning animals, you'd call it a cheap publicity stunt anyway..<<

He could have mobilized US assets. As it was, only the Coast Guard did anything for a number of days. If BP can make a faulty "dome" structure, one can expect the US military capable of significantly more. Obama claimed to have been involved from day 1, but this was a complete lie.


>>The man cant win.  Too many are banking on his failure.  Was it Rush Limbaugh that said he hoped obama failed and ran the country into the ground?  i dont remember.  It was some republican(jealous).<<

Pointing out that he claimed to be involved from the start but was, in fact, not is not banking on his failure. It's reporting inaction AND a lie. I would rather he not have been slow to respond and that he had not lied about it. Rush Limbaugh stated that he hoped Obama failed in his attempts to socialize America. And you just told us that you listen to bullshit lunatic news sources and don't know your facts.


>>At least Bush had another 4 years before that to screw things up and earn his reputation. The other four he spent on screwing thing up even worse and destroy his succesor's reputation.<<

What is your fascination with Bush? Can't you talk about why Obama is being negligent and lying about it? It has nothing to do with Bush.

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Frustrated Louisianans took the oil cleanup into their own hands Sunday, heading out in boats to lay protective booms around a bird sanctuary threatened by a black tide.
"We're going out to Cat Island right now where a thousand pelicans are breeding," Billy Nungesser, president of the coastal Plaquemines Parish told AFP.

Some of the birds at the island sanctuary have already been coated in oil and have carried it back to the nests, he said.

While they're not trying to rescue the oiled birds for fear of doing more harm than good, Nungesser said local residents refused to stand idly by as more oil lapped up into the fragile wetland.

"Our crews are out there laying the absorbent boom," he said, adding that he couldn't understand why BP and the Coast Guard weren't doing more to protect his coastal parish.

In neighboring Jefferson Parish an emergency manager commandeered all 40 boom-laying boats hired by BP which were sitting idly at Grand Isle as oil sloshed onto beaches.

Bloggers and callers to a radio talk show cheered the dramatic action late Saturday night, promising the official their votes if he sought elective office.

Earlier in the day, WWL-AM radio station repeatedly replayed a taped interview in which a Coast Guard official in Terrebonne Parish took the blame for not ordering BP to do more, then flippantly said: "I guess I'm just slow and dumb."

Frustration has reached a boiling point as more delays stymie efforts to cap a pipe which has been gushing oil into the Gulf of Mexico from the wreckage of a BP-leased rig some 52 miles off the coast of Louisiana since April 22.

Favorable winds and currents have kept the bulk of the massive slick offshore, but the heavy oil began to seep into coastal marshes on Wednesday and some 66 miles (106 km) of coastline and 30 acres (12 ha) of marshes are now affected.

The amount of oil being suctioned up to a waiting boat from a mile-long tube has slowed to 1,360 barrels a day from the previous average of about 2,100, BP said Sunday.

Meanwhile, a "top kill" attempt to plug the leak by injecting heavy drilling mud into the pipe which was originally set to begin Sunday has now been delayed to Wednesday.

The delays have fueled the outrage of locals, who are already wary of relying on government as a result of the chaos which followed after Hurricane Katrina tore through coastal Louisiana in 2005.

"Stop at any of the coffee shops here at Plaquemines Parish and people talk about the spill with disbelief," Nungesser said.

"Number one, you hear -- 'there is no plan to stop it'. Second, we keep hearing this oil could come ashore for a year or longer even if they do seal the well.

"After Katrina, we knew what we were dealing with and went to work and things got a little better each day. With the spill, every day it gets a little worse and we don't know what the worst-case scenario is going to be."

Charter boat captain Brent Roy gloomily pondered BP's failed efforts to seal the gushing well and government attempts to curb the damage.

"Until they kill that leak, I just don't think the clean up is going to be very effective," Roy said. "It just seems fruitless."

Noting that June 1 -- the official start of the Atlantic hurricane season -- is only one week away, the boat captain worried how a major storm would impede BP's contingency plan to stop the leak by drilling a relief well.

"Even after (hurricane) Katrina, we knew things would eventually get back to normal," Roy said. "With the spill, we're just unsure."

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.936e144ccc4a23348cdcc0aec488b9ea.cb1&show_article=1 

ooohhhhh, they're "wary of relying on government" are they? Good thing they got frustrated enough to do something only 30 days after the leak started.

This country used to pride itself on "can-do" 

now we know how to bitch that government isn't moving fast enough.  Government is not there to help you, doofus! Government answers to government, and it is usually pleased iwth itself.

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Moral of the story, when push comes to shove your government won't help you, it will help itself.

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But it will hold a press conference in which it states that it helped you, and that your statements otherwise are partisan propaganda.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AAa0gd7ClM

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No bridges have fallen, no ships washed ashore, yet two disasters in one week (or two based on perspective) and where was Obama? Playing golf? Well despite his playiing more golf in one year than Clintpn and both Bush's played over 20 years he was not.

Golf is for suckers.. Someone as cool as Obama should play Tennis!

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http://punditkitchen.com/2010/06/10/political-pictures-barack-obama-schwarzenegger-british-petroleum/

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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/assets_c/2010/06/100616beelertoon_c.php

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LOL schneipel

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While the hole in the Earth's protective ozone layer is slowly healing, its recovery might have a downside, scientists say: Climate change could change wind patterns and send ozone from high in the atmosphere down to the surface, where it is a major component of smog.

The discovery of a hole in the ozone layer above Antarctica was announced by a team of British scientists in 1985. The cause of the hole was attributed to ozone-depleting chemicals like chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), which were primarily used in cooling units and propellants. When CFCs reach the ozone layer, they release chlorine atoms that rip ozone apart and peel away layers of Earth's natural sunscreen.

Simulations of life without the ozone layer, which is located in the Earth's stratosphere, are not pretty. The stratosphere (the second layer of the Earth's atmosphere, just above the one in which we dwell, the troposphere) contains 90 percent of the Earth's ozone at altitudes between 6 and 31 miles (9.6 and 50 kilometers) above us, where it traps most of the sun's harmful ultraviolet (UV) rays before they can reach the Earth's surface.

Without this shield, we'd be sunburned within 5 minutes of exposure, according to NASA's Earth Observatory.

The Antarctic ozone hole is the closest real-life glimpse at a world without UV protection. Since its discovery in the 1980s, it has spread over parts of Australia, New Zealand, Chile and South Africa where the threats of skin cancer, cataracts, and damage to have raised concerns.

Major efforts have been initiated to speed up the ozone hole's recovery, including the 1987 Montreal Protocol and the phasing out of CFCs. Even so, a study by Guang Zeng and her colleagues from New Zealand's National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research shows that that the recovery, in concert with climate change, may do harm as well as good.

The study, detailed in the May edition of Geophysical Research Letters, revealed that variations in atmospheric circulation due to climate change will cause a 43-percent increase in gas exchange between the stratosphere and the troposphere, the layer of Earth's air at the surface and our air supply. As more and more ozone is replenished in the stratosphere it will also have more opportunities to seep into the air we breathe.

Some ozone is currently present in the troposphere, though mostly as smog from car emissions and other pollutants. It can be harmful to human respiratory systems and the environment.

If carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere increase as expected from unabated emission, Zeng said the ozone layer will cool off, blurring the temperature boundary that separates it from the troposphere. Within the next century, more ozone than ever before will surge into our air, her computer model study predicts.

Zeng hopes that future studies of the impacts of climate change will account for the atmospheric composition of both the stratosphere and troposphere, as well as the movement of ozone between the two, to paint a better, more accurate picture of the Earth's environmental future.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20100701/sc_livescience/thedownsidetotherecoveryoftheozonehole


EHHHHNNNNN SHADDAPP

you only studied the damn thing since 1957, for all you know its comes and goes every other sun cycle

"oh noes hole in the ozone will slaughter all the southern hemisphere"

"oh noes the restored ozone layer will slaughter all the southern hemisphere"

gimme back our CFC powered A/C s

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> Einstein wrote:

> Moral of the story, when push comes to shove your government won't help you, it will help itself.

moral of the story, dont let greedy oil companies who cut corners hold your country to ransom.

which is more important? patriotism or capitalism?

I'd vote patriotism EVERY day of the week.

These companies out source key parts of their operations, they cut corners by subcontracting and by doing things on the cheap and look whats happened. one of the biggest environmental disasters the world has seen.

p.s. apparently the Russians have suggested a nuke could stop the leak, a bomb betweekn 10-20 kilotons should do the trick according to them.

lets not hope that using nukes turns out to be the only solution.

Buddugoliaeth neu Marwolaeth

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leak capped.

Countdown to politician taking credit...

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good thing obama capped that oil leak!

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