Topic: A Special Challenge: Role Reversal!

This challenge will put your skills to the test in the arena of politics.

In this challenge you will have to argue a political topic from the opposing viewpoint.

I cordially invite Justinian, Zarf, and a judge they decide between them, to rate our posts (and not participate in the challenge except as judges).

If they accept, and you are daring, the judges will assign a topic to you from any hot topic, such as health care, gun control, unions, nationalization, abortion, subsidies, amnesty, immigration, judicial activism, or any other relevent topic the judges pick.



If three or more agree to the challenge, and the judges agree to be judges, I will even up the ante... I will take two topics, and be given the score for the lesser of the two.

Since I will not need to communicate with anyone this contest is fully open to all participants as well.

If the judges agree...

And if you agree...


THEN POST IN HERE!


Contest starts when judges assign topics.

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
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Re: A Special Challenge: Role Reversal!

I'm more than willing to judge this one!  smile

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3 (edited by Chris_Balsz 05-May-2010 22:12:26)

Re: A Special Challenge: Role Reversal!

i win

j/k tongue  proceed

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Re: A Special Challenge: Role Reversal!

Quit acting like WFS, acting as if your a mod is against the rules x(

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)

Re: A Special Challenge: Role Reversal!

I remember once trying to set something up like this!  Except that I failed miserably due to real life issues creeping up on me at the time!  (stupid real life!)

Make Eyes Great Again!

The Great Eye is watching you... when there's nothing good on TV...

6 (edited by Justinian I 05-May-2010 22:35:06)

Re: A Special Challenge: Role Reversal!

Sure, I have no problem with being a judge smile. But understand that I am most convinced by arguments that are supported by both strong evidence and sound logic, and are intended to do what is best for society.

7 (edited by Zarf BeebleBrix 05-May-2010 22:54:29)

Re: A Special Challenge: Role Reversal!

Oh, that's good... we should write judging philosophies!  I knew I was forgetting something:

1: Remember how I was rambling about discussion as an analysis of ideas, not a fight amongst people?  Yeah, that's because such is how I judge.  Anything you even think might be within the Politics forum Constitution I'm drafting, probably also something to consider here (ask away if you have questions).
2: Sorry, but appeals to emotion don't work with me.  In addition, unless you can show differently (a good argument can possibly be made against such a stance, and I'm more than willing to hear, and even accept your view, if you can effectively win the argument), I tend to follow a utilitarian approach to ethics debates ("rights," "morals," and "ethics" are constructed because, at the time of their creation, the action had a useful utilitarian purpose).  Thus, asserting that there is a "right" to something does not really work.  Rather, the more effective approach would be to explain what happens to society if said "rights" were not recognized, and thus why, as a result, those rights should be recognized.

This method makes it much easier to evaluate any discussion, as it allows us to look at concrete effects (such as body counts), rather than comparing abstract morals against one another.
3: Some of you might like this, but I'm in no way opposed to voting for what would otherwise be considered "the crazy" argument.  There are hundreds of different ways you can be creative with your argumentation, stepping outside the mainstream in terms of what your argument will be.  I'm 100% for this, and I've often seen that these debates can be the most awesome debates ever!

A good example: One of my favorite arguments to hear in debates (though I'm not saying everyone should argue this every time... that will just get obnoxious) was when, after one team would say that their side of the debate prevents disease, a massive war, etc., the other side stands up and says "Yeah, we'll cause a bunch of nuclear wars... but humanity will survive, and we need to reduce the population!  Bring on them wars!"   [Note: This is probably why it was a terrible idea to have both Justinian and myself judging in the same group... haha!]

Make Eyes Great Again!

The Great Eye is watching you... when there's nothing good on TV...

Re: A Special Challenge: Role Reversal!

Justinian I understand your logic, but I also think your mind can easily guage the arguments for validity in following the other mindsets. Not agreeing but discerning logically if the attempt follows through with enough logic to be seen by the other sides as logical (twisted, yes, but I believe in you)

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
Kemp currently not being responded to until he makes CONCISE posts.
Avogardo and Noir ignored by me for life so people know why I do not respond to them. (Informational)