@jerlundy

Your post is largely true except for this part:

"We wanted to give other planets to 57/52 so that they weren't all over our core.  57/52 did not stop until they had taken nearly 150 planets all over our core.  Mind u we asked them to stop much sooner."

We did stop when we were requested by Damaris and GeneralSkulls, feel free to consult with them.  We waited for them, and then they gave us coords of which planets to take.

I'm guessing noone cared that the coords were in your cores was because openly it was known that 49 were going to drop you.

00:00:30: <noir> just so this is clear, if 56 dont come up with planets, its their fault, ive done what i can to force them
00:38:31: <Noir2> and i really hope you get them
00:38:33: <Noir2> but its really out of my hands
00:39:19: <Torqez> well do what you have to. you agreed 56 would pay the planets. this was done under the assumption they would do it willlingly
00:39:36: <Torqez> if they dont, then you better sort something else out
00:39:47: <Noir2> there is nothing in the agreement that says willingly
00:39:53: <Noir2> they will pay the planets
00:40:05: <Noir2> please stay to the facts this time and dont weasel your way out
00:40:31: <Noir2> what assumptions ppl make are truly irrelevant is what youve teached me
00:41:47: <Torqez> thats the point noir
00:41:48: <Torqez> they are NOT paying the planets
00:41:59: <Noir2> then go take them from them
00:42:00: <Noir2> i dont care
00:42:12: <Noir2> we arent remaining allies
00:42:16: <Torqez> LOL

This is an offer from 57/52 to 49/56.

The components of the offer:
- 48H Alliance NAP reinstated in its entirety.
- 48H Alliance NAP expires on March 15th 22:00 GMT
- 3156/3149 agree to Pay 3157/3152 200 planets total (100 to 3152 and 100 to 3157). Planets will be paid within 2 days.

Signed Torqez (3157 and on behalf of 3152)

Nap offer accepted, planets will be paid from 56

Signed, Jenny of French Black (3149)

********

"- 48H Alliance NAP reinstated in its entirety."

So you're saying a 48h NAP can't be cancelled?

Torqez your last post is absolutely false and i believe you know this yourself

The IC community makes 48h naps on a common basis, none of which have it specified, but all of which have it implied that the 48h refers to the cancellation time. By your logic most of the naps in IC are uncancellable, and for some reason people just like to call them 48h naps, even tho the 48h means nothing. I believe you are smart enough yourself to see that your logic is flawed, and that 48h NAPs are a reference to the 48 hours you have to wait from cancellation to the time attacks can start. This is elementary IC, and if you are in doubt to what is being referred to by 48h naps, go read up on TNT standard terms or so.

We made a 48h nap with autoexpiry on 15th march, its right in there in what you pasted. That is indisputable, the print and evidence have been posted by you personally.

Now like Genesis points out, i agree it was not in the spirit of the nap that was signed and that your family probably have made an assumption that it was to be regarded as a pnap til 15th, but it is in the writing pretty clearly that it is 48h, and when it boils down to it, it is what you actually sign that matters.

If you had treated me and my allies with some decency earlier i would never have enjoyed pulling a prank on you enough to cancel it 5 days early, but with the stunt you pulled at us, i felt compelled to get you back a little. I told you that when you start toying around with loopholes it will come back to bite you. Karma is a bitch, but consider us even.

For the record i still believe you will win, so stop the whining allright

SImply put for dyslexizxzxz

If the nap was not cancellable, why would it be referred to as a 48h nap, the old nap was cancellable and that is the nap that was reinstated, nothing else changed.

Torqez why bother. They have an agenda.

If the nap was cancellable earlier Gen/Noir, whats the point of setting a date?  It was no where explicitly said that it can be cancelled earlier.

Anyway, by his own admission, Noir is obviously abusing a loophole.

Fine if you want to play that way

GL both sides.

I request my fam to stop arguing about this - since it's not getting through their heads.

Bummer. It's too late to pull a mass vacation mode too

Seems like both 57 and 49 have been yanking each others chains all round long. Before it seemed like 49 was under some sort of assumption that 57 would keep the NAP and they would have some agreed upon EOR war. Then 57 cancelled NAP upsetting 49.

Now it seems 57 was under the assumption that the expiration date of March 15th date would hold, although 57 should have been a bit smarter in thinking that 49 would not find some loophole and put them in a bad spot either. I have to agree with Genesis on this one.

Torqez look at it this way. Say you got a car loan and signed a contract saying the loan had to be paid off by March 15. The bank assumes you will pay it off by then, but you could pay it off early. That's why there's language in loans creating a penalty for paying it off early. If they had nothing written about it, you could pay it off early and then they lose the additional interest. You NAP says it expires March 15th, but nothing about that it can't be cancelled before that. I've run my own business for 20 years now and one thing i've learned from writing and also signing contracts is that if it's not in writing, it doesn't matter. Going by anything else, is making an assumption, and depending on what side your on, you may agree or disagree with it. And that does not make it right and/or wrong. Never assume anything.

But as with most dissagreements in this game, it all boils down to people going outside of the game features. If everyone just followed the NAP rules that are set in place, instead of creating massive NAP terms with dates, comps, etc. there would be no problems and complaining. Perhaps there should be some sort of rule, where if a family creates any NAP's with terms outside the game specified rules, the leader could be blocked. That would solve 99% of the problems everyone has. I came back after 6 years off and it's the same old story now as it was in beta 3 when NAP's became more common. They really could solve it all by putting a penalty on families that use things other than the game setup NAP.

IMO a 48h nap means when you cancel it gives the other part 48h to prepare for a war. That NAP was reinstated end of. One line included it will end on march 15th anyways.

I couldnt care less im fighting on the 10th c ya all there or maybe not. That way I can gain easy planets as well as 57/52 tried earlier on 56. I would love that.

its soooo fun reading all this thank you guys

IC politics at it's best. That is why I prefer to be a blunt tool.

I'm confused by everything

Hey I still need to talk to you about that

I want a ruby