#1619 Ftw!

>No a fetus is someone who has a small chance of becoming a child.  Birth complications, miscarriage, etc. there are a lot of things that can go wrong in those 9 months.  A child is a person with a small chance of becoming an adult.  And I'm not even talking about just potential of reaching the next stage of life I'm talking about them reaching the next stage of life and being useful.  Lot's of kids grow up to be utterly useless people.

You're talking like Humans are an opportunistic species. Truth is the vast majority of conceived children will grow to adulthood. Just because some things can go wrong doesn't mean that those things will happen all the time.

Also just because some kids grow up to be useless, doesn't mean that all kids will be useless. I already talked about this in another post. The majority of people have to contribute to society or society would have been drained long ago and would not exist.

>In many instances any children born from either of these situations won't be loved. Even if you didnt consider how these kids would be raised, what about the woman?

There are two solutions. The baby could be put up for adoption and given a chance at life. Or one crime could be made worse by tacking on murder to the whole ordeal. In this case murder would be tacked on to the rapist.

>But who cares, because it is too costly to society to completely ban abortion (assuming there are some limitations). To those who might argue I am opening a can of worms, I want to reply that abortion is one cost cutting method that has emerged as a popular and institutionalize practice over the years.

We could save so much money in the US on reduced welfare if we just killed off all the liberals. That'd be an effective way to save money with murder.

Isn't equating money savings and abortion the same as putting a price tag on a human life?

>When you ask bout opinions on racism, we can all assume that youre talking bout humans hating other humans

I don't think that's a good definition. I would say racism is any belief in the genetic superiority of one subspecies over another.

>Why should humans hate eachothers when we TOGETHER can do so much good and make the world a better place for everyone.

Like a don't make war, make orgies kinda thing? I'm not a racist, but you're a Hippie. I hate hippies. Does that make me a racist? Are hippies a race of people?

>So all you pro- lifers out there, what are your opinions? Should illegal abortions be treated as a murder (should the women having the abortion face murder charges)?

If they had gotten married, or just masturbated it wouldn't be an issue. No unwanted pregnancy. You forgetting that there is another solution at least in the US. Anyone can drop off a baby at a police station or fire station with NO QUESTIONS ASKED. With options like that available, then yes it should be murder to carry out an illegal abortion.

If you were horny and decided to have sex even though you don't want kids, you shouldn't have the right to murder your own selfish mistake.

Random European palace?

Lol

I slept through it.

>Americanisation

I always thought that your stuff moved our way

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