> ~Wornstrum~ wrote:
> I would like to know what made Kim Jong Il so evil? (there is alot of things I can think of off the top of my head, but I also don't think they are limited to facist dictators). The US aided and embedded warlords in Somalia. The US aided Osama Bin Laden to fight the ruskies. Same with Saddam (or so I am told). The US continues to sell arms to warlords in Africa to make profits on arms, and this is not considered evil?
Oh, I'd say there's a good list.
1: Utter starvation of the people by choice (even if we don't take into consideration that North Korea could have made a deal to obtain foreign aid, the Military First doctrine means North Korea had a government policy of starving the population)
2: Violating the NPT, both by developing its own nuclear weapons and by attempting to trade nuclear secrets to other nations (remember the nuclear reactor North Korea sold to Syria?)
3: Engaging in a number of illegal activities, ranging from the drug trade to counterfeiting currency
4: The very idolization system you described could easily be described as the very nature of evil, because it sells a lie to the people in order to legitimize a government that wouldn't last 12 seconds if the government had any sort of accountability to the people... allowing the government to literally do whatever the hell it wants without anyone lifting a finger.
As for the attempt to demonize the US... I love how people assume it is not considered "good" to assist one enemy in order to fight another enemy. The scenarios you described of US intervention all follow a clear model. We aided Bin Laden (at the time a very minor element in Middle Eastern politics) because he was relatively unimportant, but could potentially exhaust the resources of a real serious bad guy (the USSR) if given the technology. Given the circumstances, I really think the US came on top here... the Afghani war was coinciding with the US military spending increase meant to bluff the Soviets into bankruptcy... yeah...
As for Iraq, yes, the US did help Saddam... in fact, during the Iran-Iraq War (when Iraq invaded Iran while Iran was just starting to settle from the '79 revolution), the US was helping Iraq. That being said... first of all, most of the world was helping Iraq (this is probably one of the few instances in Cold War history where a nation would be receiving substantial military aid from both the US and USSR), and second, even the US acknowledged that the goal was not to make Saddam win, but instead to just get both nations to waste resources (Henry Kissinger, the US Defense Secretary at the time, was actually quoted saying "It's too bad they both can't lose the war." Although historically, they definitely did both lose). It's just a good pragmatic system to aid bad guys in that context... if the bad guy wants stuff to fight a completely different bad guy... you have now taken out 2 bad guys! Frankly, I think the US is better off in both scenarios (wearing down the Soviet Union and bringing both Iran and Iraq into a decade of war when the alternative without international intervention would have most likely been an Iran which controlled the oil-rich Shiite portions of Iraq, becoming the #1 supplier of oil in the world today).
From an international relations perspective, this is just bad foreign policy. We don't get to choose who we're friends with. Geopolitical circumstances create friends. This ethical standard would have required that the US not cooperate with Stalin in order to take down Hitler, a move which would have easily resulted in a dictator much worse than Stalin controlling the most populous, industrious portions of Europe, perpetuating a continent-wide dictatorship, Holocaust and all...