Niuuuuu! Our admirable communist overlords would never engage in such activity. This whole story is false. It's clearly a fabrication of the Jewishish capitalist conspiracy!

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But a hundred million Chinese do!

Cancer rates aren't exactly falling. It's hard to make a "cure" for one's own cells going berserk.

I think there's a lot to be said for diet and natural medicine, but there's no big money in it so it's repressed by the US government.

Edit: And fish oils are an important part of dietary nutrition! I was on topic when I started typing. I just forgot that part. tongue

Edit: The topic of the thread is "haha funny title!" Bad moderator! Bad!

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(124 replies, posted in Politics)

Firewing, you're proposing that labor unions would "spawn everywhere" if... #7 & #8? Oh, I believe you.

There's nothing to debate.

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(16 replies, posted in Politics)

You should really post the title of what you're about to post in quotes. Honestly, Michelle is more versed on the topic than you. And cuter!

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(124 replies, posted in Politics)

What was the mechanism by which there would be "no Prostitution or drugs," Einstein?

"No you didn't say it directly. In context if which it was presented however, it can and was interpreted that way."

I'm very direct. I say what I mean. I generally do it very clearly. Bullshitting that you "interpreted" it as something other than what I said is an error on your end.

I said "hosted on a government website." That's it. And I explained why this is relevant. You chose to pretend I claimed more than I clearly did.

"You also seem to misunderstand the purpose of an abstract.... "

I merely remarked that what you linked is not evidence of anything. You providing a link to a single article would not make up for the fact that neither of us has read remotely enough on the topic to compose a decent literature review to have any basis for what's honest/dishonest and what's comprehensive and what's cherry-picking.

"And no, the abstract you posted nullifies nothing."

My point, again clearly stated, was simply that your linking an abstract provided us no evidence with which to further the discussion or support one position or another.

"Again, I make no claims to "know" or not know the safety of MSG in short term or long term. But the fact that you brought up ALS in this discussion on the safety of MSG clearly supports my claim, and that is, MSG is given undue vilification."

Seeing as you're a self-proclaimed expert and apparently claim to have a working knowledge of all material posted on the subject, I must bow to your expertise. If there is, in fact, a wealth of legitimate research finding MSG has no connection or ALS, you're probably right. If it is the case that no research connecting MSG to ALS is legitimate (ie, sound scientific research actually measuring what it purports to measure), you're probably right.

If you are, however, simply trusting government-approved sources and dismissing anything which provides contrary evidence, then my previous hypothesis that you're a sheep is only further supported. tongue

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I guess? I'm a noob. That's why I just pointed to printing presses. tongue I figured other resource/market forces could influence it, but alas, I know only enough to know that what the troll suggested is insane. tongue

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(124 replies, posted in Politics)

Macro events like the discovery/utilization of resources are less direct. I'm a noob on the subject. If you would like to introduce other mechanics than government printing, feel free. tongue

He argued that "ANY" currency a consumer wished be accepted. This is distinctly different from arguing that sellers should have the option of using private currencies, which I have not argued against.

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(124 replies, posted in Politics)

Government printing money. Like Zimbabwe. Like Germany. Like Amerika today.

When you mention Zimbabwe, remember that currency valuations are always a process. Many sellers in the US would be hurt accepting Zimbabwe currency before the downward cycle was obvious. Buyers would similarly be hurt, unknowingly buying with a currency about to increase in value. An obvious measure would be to only deal in certain currencies: But this completely obliterates the troll's suggestion.

I'm not inherently against private currencies. But what the troll suggested is ludicrous and would either result in chaos, or nobody would take part and it wouldn't result at all. He obviously advocates government force demanding all sellers accept all currencies, so he'd choose absolute chaos and harm.

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(16 replies, posted in Politics)

"1. Social conservatives have attacked the legality of abortion, and to a lesser extent birth control."

I think the abortion debate is a legitimate one. Many women are against abortion. To speak as if only men oppose abortion is insulting to many women who oppose it. To frame is as a "women's issue" whereas being against it is being "against women" is overly simplistic and insulting to women who oppose abortion.

I agree that some conservatives' issues with birth control are just silly. I respect their beliefs, but, if they want to expand those beliefs, that's a cultural discussion with no place in politics. The fact is most Americans <3 birth control and aren't going to stop any time soon. My issue here is broadly accusing Republicans/Conservatives as waging a "war" on women when the majority of them don't care about contraception. Or when Republicans/Conservatives are accused of waging a "war" on women when they don't support socialized birth control.

It's not that expensive. I buy my own condoms. This is just a ridiculous debate. I live in America, not North Korea. I don't owe anyone a pill and nobody owes me a condom. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an intellectual lightweight and a little pansy besides. Nowhere in our Constitution can the argument be made that women deserve BC from society. And nowhere in our collective culture(s) could the argument be made until recently. Recently, when our deficits skyrocketed, our illegitimacy rates skyrocketed, healthcare and education costs [because of this baby culture] skyrocketed, work ethic was brutally beaten, relative production fell, and relative standard of living fell.

I just find the dishonesty disgusting. Non-socialists are waging a war against women by fighting for their freedoms and standard of living (which results in cheaper birth control and higher incomes, effectively providing the birth control for free and then some)? A minority of Republicans/Conservatives' disapproval of birth control is equated with a systematic war on women?

Sure, I disagree with those people's views on birth control, but I don't equate their views with that of the Republican Party of Conservatives in general. I disagree with both on many issues. But I have a little dignity, so I debate them on principle and don't insult everyone listening by accusing them of waging a war on women.

Nobody benefits from dishonesty and scare-tactics. The accused gets an overly broad negative label (and those who may deserve it thus escape it). Those who agree philosophically with those being dishonest/using scare-tactics are insulted, as if their position cannot be argued on its merits.

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(124 replies, posted in Politics)

This topic is obviously not a strong suit for me. tongue Though I can trade stocks and options on my smartphone (I usually use my computer. 24" widescreen is much easier to view!), that's mostly based on data analysis. I obviously don't day-trade in currencies. Or in currencies at all. tongue Unfortunately there don't seem to be more knowledgeable people available, so I'll go ahead and embarrass myself. I can't do worse than the troll. big_smile

"Would currency fluctuations exist in a world where all currencies are perfectly interchangeable?"

The point I would have been more clear on, if the trolling wasn't really stupid, was that there are reasons we use currencies. There are a limited number of currencies and the governments responsible for their printing can protect their values (or not). Compared to using ANY and ALL assets as currencies, traditional currencies are ridiculously stable. The point is that using all assets as currencies would harm people not choosing to engage in the market and subject them to market forces. Currencies are relatively stable (more stable if the people elect representatives who protect them) and do not subject people's well-being to these forces. What was proposed would harm the crap out of people.

"So if currency values would no longer be based on a nation's total consumption and production of goods and services...."

This isn't the sole source of currency values at present--which finally answers your previous question. Currency markets are already elastic to a great extent now; they're pretty damn exchangeable. Fluctuations will always exist because governments will always steal from their people/holders of their currencies and print more money to pay for their massive deficits.

I won't debate "normal societal inflationary needs." tongue

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(124 replies, posted in Politics)

xeno syndicated is arguing for a state like North Korea. That's not a "fix" buddy, that's promising everything to everybody and ending up with starvation and poverty because you can't even make enough food to go around, let alone education and healthcare.

Thank you for openly stating your communist beliefs. It was awkward seeing you post them repeatedly while denying that the term applied to you. Here, at last, an open admission that you advocate tyranny and slavery, and that you hate free markets and free people.

"This one I think is the easiest one to start with.  Let's say I go to a local fast food joint to get a burger, intending to pay with either Zimbabwean franks OR perhaps concentrated orange juice futures credits...."

hahhahahahahhahahahhahaha! Oh my god. Funniest trolling ever. I can hardly respond because I can't stop laughing. What about the fact that the burger shack employees don't know anything about the value of Zimbabwean (HAHAHHAHAHA you must have NO idea what's happened to their currency!) currency or concentrated orange juice futures markets? It'd be economic chaos. Nobody would be dumb enough to use such a system. The valuations of all of these assets would be constantly in flux, ruining people's fortunes at the ebb and flow of the market. Nobody can keep up with all developments in all industries in a real-time basis, so your proposals would beg for rampant abuse across all sectors at all times, as everyone with inside info ditched assets about to fall in value and gobbled up assets about to rise in value. You're proposing insider-trading be increased exponentially, risking harm not only to markets and investors but ALL members of society. That sounds just.

I'd respond to your other 14 "points," but the trolling is too obvious at this point to continue my exercises in patience at this time.

Troll better plz. You're being lazy.

Simon,

I didn't claim that the page being on a government site by itself was some sort of conclusive refutation. It was supportive evidence of a greater point.

I didn't claim it was super harmful in small amounts. Many things are harmful if consumed in quantity but nobody calls them harmful in and of themselves. Take red meat, for instance. Anyone eating a lot of red meat vs eating none has a significantly increased risk of cancer. Billions of people eat red meat and don't complain about it. But it's still not particularly good for you and may contribute to giving you cancer if you continually eat it in significant quantities.

Do we have access to China's ALS numbers? Do the Chinese people? I would imagine that something which take decades to end someone's life would have to be identified to be complained about. I have a suspicion the Chinese government wouldn't be telling us about it if they noticed a statistical anomaly. That the Chinese aren't complaining isn't much in the way of evidence.

~Wornstrum~ makes an important point. We're talking about statistics: Correlation and causation. And over a significant period of time. Everyone who dies of a heart attack or cancer before they had a chance to get ALS isn't contributing to accurate numbers. That many behaviors (e.g. fast food nom nom nom) which lead to a high MSG intake also cause heart disease and cancer (which typically kill much quicker) only makes accurate numbers harder to come by. Any study only examining a brief period of someone's life isn't contributing to accurate numbers either.

The "review" you linked, Simon, is just an abstract. "Free full text" is not a link. Nothing under "Display Settings" offers the full text either. You linked an abstract which provides evidence of nothing.

"The toxicity/safety of processed free glutamic acid (MSG): A study in suppression of information"
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08989629908573933

If we were reading abstracts like they're evidence of anything, this abstract would effectively nullify yours. tongue

I have no interest in reading scholarly articles on the topic for hours. I don't care about your health. It's mostly how defensive you are about believing what your government tells you to which alarms me. From linking an abstract as a "review," I'm going to presume you haven't read any peer-reviewed articles either, let alone enough for a decent lit review to frame the topic objectively.

I'm not claiming much knowledge of the field or interest in obtaining it, but everyone posting as if they're sure it's safe is a good sheep. tongue

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Justinian I, a "war on women" presumes women are too stupid to manage to afford really cheap birth control. Anyone arguing there's a war on women is waging one, claiming they're dumber than men.

Meaning if you mentioned it in its supposed Asian country of origin they wouldn't look at you funny. A lot of Amerikan "Chinese" food has never been heard of in China. tongue Or so I hear.

Thank you for your 20 year old mini literature review hosted on a government website. It was vague, simple, and lacked any specific information: My simple mind could understand it. I know big brother is looking out for me and can't be bought off for a share in corporate profits.

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Some republicans want women wearing chastity belts and virtually all democrats think women are too stupid to buy their own condoms/other BC.

You're going to die of ALS and cancer.

Is legit Asian cuisine packed with it? I thought that was just "Asian" food sold in Amerika.

*Figurative use of the word ass.

hahahahhaha.

I'll wage a jihad on your ass for what you said about the other seasonals!

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(55 replies, posted in Politics)

It's never worked anywhere. Arguments for it are based on feeeeeelings. They're targeted toward pansies who couldn't defend themselves with an army. As it turns out, our therapeutic culture has produced a lot of them. They're not very intelligent. They don't do any research or value facts. But they have feeeeeeelings and, damnit, they're gonna base votes on them.

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(23 replies, posted in Politics)

Now that America is going to have the highest corporate tax rate in the world, Obama will be invading all of your nations because you're helping the evil rich in our epic class war against them!

Reminder: Samuel Adams Summer Ale is here!

Why would anyone drink Fosters? Is it worth trying, or is it the Australian version of Anheuser Busch/Molson Coors/etc? tongue

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(55 replies, posted in Politics)

Sharpton and Jackson haven't come up with a way to make money off of those. They'll vaguely be referred to as a sign of racism later because black people were killed and some black people will be convicted of those crimes.

Dealing with actual problems is hard. And not nearly as profitable as race-baiting.