Anyway, lets get to toppic.

"Well Obama's said his piece. I found him trying hard to move to the center and to Christianity. He is going to severely upset a lot of Democrats."
The centre I don't know but you are right about christianity. It idd will upset the hardcore atheist but on the other hand he defended themes like abortion wich is very popular in that environement.

But I doubt he won even a small amount of votes of the conservative christians. I think McCain will try hard on that side of the spectre.

a lot of people have done that actually glad.

And the media in the US, like in most contries around the globe,if not all, is politicaly inspired.

I think the racist portion of the leftwing side might stay at home so obama looses.wouln't matter anyway

"The EU constitution is a little thing? The EU has gradually wormed itself into every aspect of everyday life. I do not consider it a small thing and I would like it if my goverment wouldn't be so eager about letting the country be ruled by a foreign institution."
in that same light, you shouldn't let your village or city run by an outside national dutch gov?

Stop the non-democratic part. Its undemocratic now and the constitution would fix a lot of things. Do you have a short memory or you just want me to repeat the same story over and over again? Besides, you voted for european elections to didn't you?

idd.
"i blame europe though, for teaching young generations that censorship is ok."
? The EU doesn't teach that, and the subject is debated over time and time again all over europe. (especially the rules on discriminiation and racism.)

The reason the EU can't act is because of energy blackmail. The reason the US can't act is the same as during the cold war. The russians have thermo-nuclear missiles. I can't blame them. But I do blame the EU for falling asleep and not caring about energy dependance to a despotism.

yeah newb,
the EU never gets enough public support for that sort of actions.

@bief:
thx for the link.
@subject
I thought this would be over in a week

I see nobody in this thread questioning the seriousness of the situation whilst 2 months back everybody laughed at my prediction for dangerous tensions as an "exageration of predicting a new cold war". That all because of a minor struggle.

Russia still has a shitload of nuclear weapons so has US. Little has changed in the concept of a cold war except for the people themselfs. Russia seeks to defend/expand itself not by "bufferzones" like stalin but by vital energy and rescource control.

But tough I stand by your points wfs, you shouldn't have closed the other thread.

"can't remember which one and believe me I've tried, that has hydrogen powered busses for public transit."
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