> avogadro wrote:

> lets take primo for example because he is the only european that listed the languages he speaks. he knows his native tongue, and is fluent in english; so far reasonable consistent with the "Our aim is to be able to communicate with other people, regardless where they're from" claim... but then he learned german, italien, and estonian? those languages don't travel well, and at very least germans and italians are far more likely to know english or spanish or french then say chinese or indians would know english, spanish, or french...  those languages are wasted ones if his aim was to be able to communicate with other people regardless of where he's from; so either Primo is an idiot who thought those would be the next obvious choices or his goal wasn't to be able to communicate with as many people as possible regardless of where they are from...

German used to be the language of the sciences for a long time, so learning german could be useful for a scientist who has to look into older sources.
Italian closely resembles Spanish, I have found that most Spanish people understand some Italian (also works the other way around), so this might help him communicate with Latin American people as well.

So i wouldn't say those languages were wasted...

Estonian however... i can't really think of a language that's closely related to Estonian that isn't in Europe. As Finnish is in Europe as well and there aren't really a lot of people outside of europe who speak finnish...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCI18qAoKq4

damn... we're so dead...

Marking all these as lies just makes discussion about them impossible, since you can counter any arguement by just saying "no, you're lying". way to win a discussion on serious topics...

*cough* biased much *cough*

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according to wikipedia:

"Fouls punishable by an indirect free kick are:
[...]
When any player in the opinion of the referee:
plays in a dangerous manner"

fully stretched leg --> dangerous manner.

though i have to admit this is debatable since some people might say it is not dangerous enough, as players have gotten injuries in the past from tackles with bent legs as well. but then again, my point would be that the increased stiffness of the leg makes the sliding tackle more dangerous than it should be and can be...

just saw this:

"If anything you are more likely to injure yourself because any force through your leg won't be absorbed by flexion. You could injure your own knee"

due to that exact same principle the amount of force applied on the opponent remains high (less absorbtion due to the stiffness of the outstretched leg, less force absorbed by the leg, more force applied on the target), making the sliding tackle more likely to injure someone.

and yeah sorry, i didn't pick the correct words for my arguement earlier, so i stated "leg bents, direction of force is changed, less force on opponent". what i actually was supposed to say was the stiffness of the outstretched leg prevents the leg to move after impact (the absorption, try it, leg stretched out or leg bent slightly, when the leg is bent slightly it will bend more on impact, which it won't when outstretched),
while when the leg is bent some of the force is absorbed by the leg that bends slightly further.

i've had teammates of mine booked for stretched legs, i've been lectured for sliding with a stretched leg, and even though that was an amateur game it was with a ref from the knvb (dutch football association). i have always been taught by coaches/trainers not to slide with stretched legs, and i've seen matches on tv where people were booked for stretched legs.
and yeah, hitting the ball and not the player (or first the ball, then the player, or sometimes even first the player, then the ball) normally results in the ref not interrupting the game. but that doesn't mean a sliding tackle with a stretched leg is the same as a sliding tackle with a bent leg, stretched legs are a lot more dangerous since your leg transfers more of the force of the impact to the opponent than the bent leg would (leg bents, direction of force is changed, less force on opponent), and so are dealt with differently (or are supposed to be).

de Jong's kick could've been a red card tbh if de Jong had intended to hurt his opponent or the ref had thought he had. Otherwise it would've been yellow, as happened and just as you stated .

some that bugged me the most:

double legged slidings --> yellow card, possible red card

slidings with a fully stretched leg --> yellow card.

it's like defenders these days don't know how to slide properly...

i'll count them again...?

not now tho, too tired. i'll do it later.

and woot i got a vote

emperor, so many people dive nowadays that it's part of the game now (sadly). the uruguayans are masters of the dive, especially suarez.
however, preventing a goal by using your hand like that or any other "hand of god" that has taken place is clearly not part of the game called FOOTball, especially if the goal is a winning goal in the last minute of the match.

and would've been awesome to have had an african team in the semi's, wouldn't it?