"if everyone thought and acted like this, then everyone would get treated as everyone else themselves wants to be treated, and we would have vew few problems. Some people would want to be treated as kings, but following this rule, they must treat everyone else like a king. Any people want to get treated as a beaten slave? hmmm not too many. Sometimes I woudner why I bother with you, but again then I do have a good chuckle sometimes."

this isnt reasoning. this is an elabortation of a beleif in the golden rule. it doesnt show how you concluded that the golden rule is "good" and not following it is "evil". btw, if it everyone treated everyone like how they wanted to be treated, suicidal people would kill others.

"
The only reason I'm replying is to say I'm not american."

im sorry, you were talking about the US like you lived here.

"so in a perfect world I wouldn't shoot him."

so its only not a contradiction in a perfect world? or do you ignore your morals because its not a perfect world?

"hahaha what is there to reason?"

/facepalm. you are so fail. you said "I can figure that out for myself, thanks very much" what figuring? isnt what you consider "better" just what society told you is better, which is based on christian values, so your using christian values, but are just in denial, or did you actually figure out what is better and wasnt told by a society based on christian values what is better?

"It is wrong to take the law into your own hands. You would be charged if you shot that bank robber."

so you associate wrong with anything breaking the law? so if the law told you to kill a Jew, it would be wrong not to?

"To remind you, it went something like: "If friggen sucks arse to tell me that you need God to tell you what is "good" or "evil" when (1) people who wrote about God say it's ok to keep slaves, you should stone people to don't believe in him etc etc (2) treat people how you like to be treated. You have a very very poor opinion of people if you think no one can figure this out for themselves"

You are a F'n idiot if you need to be reminded of this every time this conversation comes up. Providing a "lol" in response to my statement that 'I don't need God to determine good/evil' is one of the most screwed up responses ever."

you are so fail. you ignore the question, and just make offensive accusations instead. please explain the thought process for how to determine what is good and what is evil.

"hahahha I can't stop laughing at your BS comparison. Absolute BS avo."

it wasnt a comparison. you said its not ok to take the law into your own hands. and i provided an example to disprove your statement, now either defend the statement or admit its faulty.

> Timmyville wrote:

> "Democracy fails when theres a lack of respect between the people of the democracy. when a large percentage of the population believes something is murder, and the government keeps it legal, it is a failure of the system."

Yeah, there's also a large percentage of the population that DOESN'T believe it is murder. In addition to this large percentage of the population, your government agrees with THEM. We could get into an abortion debate all we want, but the fact is that this debate is not about abortion, it is about a murder. An assassination of a doctor. And it's also about how almost every conservative in the room right now is condoning it.

Using your logic...which is that you consider it murder even though a large percentage of the population doesn't...I say George Bush should be assassinated on account of the fact that he dropped bombs on civilian areas. I think that is murder at least.

sigh. you're not understanding the point. theres two opinions out there that abortion is murder and that abortion isnt murder. im not saying one is right and the other is wrong. im saying, when you legalize something a large percentage of the population considers murder, these things are going to happen; its irresponsible for a government to support something a large percentage of its population considers murder, it creates violence and instability. the people that consider abortion murder have even elected an "anti-abortion" person into the presidency twice in a row with nothing changing; so now the illusion of it being a Democracy is fading from them; chances of stopping this mass murder, through political channels isnt realistic to them, the government is giving them no choice but violence; if anything, incidents like this are going to grow in frequency.

""well, if someone is performing murders and the state isnt going to do anything about it, are you not justified in stopping them if they arent specifically targeting you?"

No, you aren't."

ok, so you walk into a bank, there are 20 people bound and gagged; theres a man with a gun standing over one of them, he shoots one in the back of the head then moves to teh 2nd. as he does this, you notice a gun on the floor right by you, you pick it up, tell him to stop or you will shoot, he ignores you shoots the 2nd person and moves to the third person, he doesnt think you have the balls to do it. it is in a rural area so it is unlikely that you could possibly reach any lawmen before he killed the rest. you are not justified to kill him? not only are you justified, you are obligated to do it.

Democracy fails when theres a lack of respect between the people of the democracy. when a large percentage of the population believes something is murder, and the government keeps it legal, it is a failure of the system.

no auto companies have the money to invest by buying GM. GM shuts down and car parts companies go bankrupt and no longer makes car parts, without those car parts companies, Ford and Chrysler cant build shit and have to close down, so practically no cars will be built in the US, and the price of cars will go up significantly in the US and most of them will be imported and will contribute to a growing trade deficit in the US. oh yeah, and if all these large companies, the car companies and car part companies close down, gonna have to rely on other companies to manufacture military vehicles for the US military. Eventually, Toyota and other car companies will be able to invest more in manufacturing in the US and prices will go back down, but would probably take at least 10 years for the infrastructure to be rebuilt.

with that said, GM will declare bankruptcy, Obama will most likely keep them pumping out cars and if they can do it, Ford stands a chance of staying up by themselves.

well, if someone is performing murders and the state isnt going to do anything about it, are you not justified in stopping them if they arent specifically targeting you?

> sKoE )= wrote:

> > why do you think they want attention? this isnt a
> toddler we're talking about.

No idea. I'm sure they have their reasons, though.

so your claim that they;'re doing this for attention is based on nothing other then the fact that they're getting attention. the attention couldnt be a side effect, but has to be the reason....

btw, like my new sig?

how is this political yes... a phone number.....  so what?

"believe is justified for a group of people to ask for a separate state?"

it is justified for a group of people to ask for a separate state when they believe thats whats best for them.

"
In the U.S. civil war, was the south justified in it declaring itself a separate state?"

yes

"Was the U.S. justified in declaring itself an independant state in the Revolutionary war?"

yes

"
Was India justified in declaring itself a separate state from Britain?"

yes

"And is violence aloud when your cause is justified "

yes