8,626

(34 replies, posted in Politics)

No, heads of state everywhere avoid gestures of obesiance.

I'm not just making this stuff up.

"THE WORLD; The President's Inclination: No, It Wasn't a Bow-Bow
By DOUGLAS JEHL
Published: Sunday, June 19, 1994
"IF I see another king, I think I shall bite him," Teddy Roosevelt once growled. Offered that opportunity with the Japanese equivalent last week, Bill Clinton turned out to have had quite something else in mind.

It wasn't a bow, exactly. But Mr. Clinton came close. He inclined his head and shoulders forward, he pressed his hands together. It lasted no longer than a snapshot, but the image on the South Lawn was indelible: an obsequent President, and the Emperor of Japan.

Canadians still bow to England's Queen; so do Australians. Americans shake hands. If not to stand eye-to-eye with royalty, what else were 1776 and all that about? But Mr. Clinton, alas, is not the only one since George Washington who has seemed not quite to know what to make of monarchs.

There was that curtsy, during the Reagan years, when Lenore Annenberg, herself the chief of protocol, forgot herself entirely and did a little dip to greet a visiting Prince Charles. That prompted a stern warning from Miss Manners against those who might mock the effort that "was once put into freeing Americans from the necessity of bending their knees." Soon afterward, when Nancy Reagan greeted Queen Elizabeth II behind closed doors, her press secretary acknowledged that Mrs. Reagan had bowed her head but insisted, "It was definitely not a curtsy."

With the imperial visit last week, official Washington was clearly determined to show that it knew well what courtesies should be showered on the 175th inheritor of the most formal throne on earth.

Guests invited to a white-tie state dinner at the White House (a Clinton Administration first) were instructed to address the Emperor as "Your Majesty," not "Your Highness" or, worse, "King." And in what one Administration aide called "some emperor thing," an Army general was cautioned that he should not address the Emperor Akihito at all as he escorted him to the Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington National Cemetery.

But the "thou need not bow" commandment from the State Department's protocol office maintained a constancy of more than 200 years. Administration officials scurried to insist that the eager-to-please President had not really done the unthinkable.

"It was not a bow-bow, if you know what I mean," said Ambassador Molly Raiser, the chief of protocol.

White House officials described Mr. Clinton's tilt as something of an improvisation. Because Emperor Akihito broke with tradition in turn to raise his glass at the state dinner, some even said Mr. Clinton had managed something of a breakthrough.

"Presidents don't bow, and Emperors don't toast," one official said. "So this was a little bit like the cultures meeting each other halfway."
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/19/weekinreview/the-world-the-president-s-inclination-no-it-wasn-t-a-bow-bow.html

o, those damn Obama-hating NYT editors of the mid-1990s!

mebbe she should hang out with Nemeara

8,628

(34 replies, posted in Politics)

Not for the top guys to each other.  No head of state was present on the USS Missouri

8,629

(9,083 replies, posted in General)

already knows what Soylent Green is

apparently the women are left shaken but not stirred

8,631

(34 replies, posted in Politics)

Who bows to a US president? I think some guys nod while shaking hands

The President as head of state = another head of state so submission to another head of state by a head of state either means A) the united states bows to Japan or B) our President is  noob.

it's probably B) because he was still in the middle of a handshake so it wasn't even a proper Japanese bow, it was an Obama.


and I remind you all again Tupac said "You the row won't bow down to no man"

/me bows to Nolio like Obama

8,632

(9,083 replies, posted in General)

wants to slap Chris Brown

8,633

(2 replies, posted in General)

BBC had an article about how most climate scientists

a) have to admit that GLOBAL weather hasn't gotten warmer for 10 years
b) predictions of straightline warming were "overstated"
c) they think they figured it out
d) it'll go right back to heating up any time now
e) we can believe them that when it starts its going to keep going up
f) the political solutions are still necessary

8,634

(9,083 replies, posted in General)

made me say "Soitenly! Nyuk nyuk nyuk"

8,635

(34 replies, posted in Politics)

tongue

it was part of a conversation, he thanked me for doing the chores on his case, then he bowed to me like Obama and laughed, then I said "lay off, no fair" he laughed, and then I  said I noticed that China treated Obama really coldly when he went there after he visited Japan, and he said China still hates the Japanese for being murderous racist bastards and so Obama didn't score points with them being a clumsy buttkisser in Japan-i'm paraphrasing his terms

8,636

(9,083 replies, posted in General)

might enjoy a Three Stooges marathon

8,637

(9,083 replies, posted in General)

will starve to death waiting for pain to bring him breakfast in bed

8,638

(34 replies, posted in Politics)

yes, that's why I'm upset when Obama breaks them

8,639

(126 replies, posted in General)

If ordos didn't exist we would have to invent him

8,640

(16 replies, posted in Politics)

I say we recognize the soveriegnity of the EU and then go grab the furniture in the former embassies of european "states"

8,641

(15 replies, posted in General)

the state the economy is in, instead of a quick $9000 selling spiders, him and his spiders would have been out on the street by a burning ashcan, slapping their arms against the cold, waiting for the sisters to start dishing out free soup

8,642

(34 replies, posted in Politics)

o_O

8,643

(16 replies, posted in Politics)

he should open with "Delegates, Members of Parliament, ladies and gentlemen, peoples of Europe.  Let me begin by stating I am not Tony Blair.  I hope to continue not to be Tony Blair, and I assume this dignity with the firm intent, to work with you, on behalf of Europe and the world, in creating a European Union based upon the principles of freedom, justice, community, and the absence of Tony Blair.  Thank you"

8,644

(9,083 replies, posted in General)

confused me because I don't know hwat movies you like

8,645

(21 replies, posted in Politics)

please, we do that to our own forces

8,646

(4 replies, posted in General)

Gary don't go!!

Its a cookbook!!!!!

8,647

(21 replies, posted in Politics)

"Im a family man" -> I love the cock / I love hookers / I'm a republican
(Kidding about the last one , its for Chris ).


Rush Limbaugh likes to quote Charlie Sheen about whores "I didn't pay them for sex. I paid them to leave."


Hmmmmm maybe the NFL owners had a point

8,648

(21 replies, posted in Politics)

No Support Our Troops comes from the Gulf War era, 1991, to remind people not to shame our country the way they did in Vietnam, spitting on retruning vets and calling them babykiller.

in ww2 they sold war bonds with the slogan "Buy War Bonds" or "Make Hell for Hitler"

8,649

(34 replies, posted in Politics)

http://nwasianweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/28_48/editorial.jpg

1. the President as a head of state doesn't make obeisance gestures to other heads of state, Clinton got his knuckles rapped by the NY Times in 1994 for dipping his head to Akihito
2. if you ARE gonna bow to the Emperor of Japan, do it before you shake his hand, not DURING the handshake
3. why did he bow to King Abdullah, bow to Emperor Akihito, and just nod to Queen Elizabeth?

"Instead, because its Obama, you have to be negative."

I don't remember Reagan's etiquette that well, Bush the Elder remembered WW2 too well to bow to Hirohito (well pretty well, he once memorialized Pearl Harbor on September 7)--I guess Hirohito was just glad not to be barfed on, and Bush the Younger would probably have given Akihito a backrub before he'd genuflect.  So I don't really have that many models of rightwing presidents I can react to


"Sorry but it just doesn't cut the cheese..."

I have no idea what you meant by that, in America "cut the cheese" = "break wind"

8,650

(12 replies, posted in General)

Christopher A Balsz Jr  find me and add me and invite

and then hit most everybody in my friends list