without opposition in the Med the Italians would have invaded Turkey and then begged Adolf to rescue them, so, he'd still have been in trouble.
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without opposition in the Med the Italians would have invaded Turkey and then begged Adolf to rescue them, so, he'd still have been in trouble.
"The Yell wrote:
a subjective rate of interest is a scam. Always."
Monetary forms of interest is a scam, for it projects the illusion of there being some sort of objective, quantifiable value of property when in fact there is no such objective, quantifiable value.
The irony is that everyone knows this and yet many refuse to admit it to themselves, in spite of witnessing repeated abuses and manipulations of the monetary system by unethical, unconstitutional, detrimental control of what is supposed to be a free market system, and the ludicrous such 'objective' valuations of property that have resulted.
There is hope, however, because many have come to understand the folly, the error in objective quantification of value by the monetary system and, as you say, You Fool, are starting to simply ignore it.
Which you "improve" by offering a form of value that has less security, less stability, less liquidity, and less recognition than money. For your concrete objects Barterbank will promise you that you should expect Fun in greater quantity than you had before you donated your stuff, if you have the right attitude.
Might as well call it a church.
a subjective rate of interest is a scam. Always.
"It's not a scam if he's happy! And if he's not happy he wouldn't have invested, caveat emptor = freedom!"
You are wrong. Say a barter bank was established locally in a rural community. An orchard owner deposits 280 apples, and a lawnmower. In this case, the orchard owner doesn't have to show up with the apples at a central warehouse or anything. Instead, people who want to withdraw apples from the barter bank show up at the orchard.
Those who don't have anything to barter can still get apples if they want, as they are lent out to those who would borrow them. It so happens that the baker wants some apples to make apple pies but has nothing to exchange for them. The bank lends 280 apples to the baker, who shows up at the orchard and takes them. He bakes apple pies and exchanges those for other items through the barter bank, with people showing up at his bakery to get apple pies.
So if I was "owed" apples, but I didn't cash out before the baker got there, I would either
a) Wait for another mass deposit
b) settle for more expensive, less portable apple pies
c) say "screw this" and bail on the system.
vAs such, the system works because people won't be expecting MORE or BETTER in the objective sense of these terms, but, rather, simply DIFFERENT or BETTER FOR THEM in the SUBJECTIVE sense.
I was saying this for some days, but you found something to disagree with somehow.
Depends on whether Stalin would have waited for us or "liberated" Paris without us
Your examples all involve the bank being set up all over the world.
My first example to challenge you was to show how in the first week of the banks existence, nobody could expect to get MORE and hardly possibly AS MUCH as they deposited. And you will never catch up, because with each participation in your bank you owe them AS MUCH and promise MORE than they deposit. That being the case, you can only offer MORE as some people take LESS.
There are only 2 ways to promise everybody MORE from your closed system:
1. Expect everybody will deposit a house and settle for less than a better house.
2. Play games with the meaning of MORE.
But I would have spoken German by now or Russian.
Naw the war with Japan would still have set us to building the B-29 long range bomber and the atomic bomb, so if we hadn't landed in Normandy in the summer of 1944 we'd have dropped atomic bombs on Europe. You probably wouldn't be here to speak anything
i should spend some time doing a modernized version of the HH Holmes Murder Castle, since it would make Saw tame and could be pleasantly ironic. Especially the part where he hired temps to dissect cadavers without explaining where he got them or where they went
Who runs this bank, Raul Castro?
You've agreed to accept SOMETHING at a later date, not anything in particular except, at the minimum, an item in as good or better condition as what you initially deposited.
So, if you deposited a 2003 Volkswagon Jetta in 2013 (with power windows, leather seats, 2-year-old brakes, a 1-year old timing belt, 6-month old tie-rods, 2-year-old tires, 165k kms, etc. as per specifications), and by 2018 the system hasn't offered anything you LIKE better than a 2003 Volkswagon Jetta, then all you would be entitled to is a 2003 Volkswagon Jetta of similar condition and specification, but only IF you decided to accept it.
You could opt to simply continue waiting.
Now the odds are, of course, that the system would be able to procure something you would LIKE better, for while you are waiting, someone is using that 2003 Volkswagon Jetta and the use of the product has a value in and of itself aside from the value of the product. Therefore, market principles would dictate that the system would produce some sort of profit for the depositor as time goes on.
You are living in fantasy land.
If I give a 2003 Jetta, and Xman drives it away, there is no 2003 Jetta in the system. The value to Mr. Xman from driving a 2003 Jetta remains with Mr. Xman. I do not share in it and neither does your bank.
Xman does not have to give me anything - the way you tell it, he might have earned that Jetta by donating a cadillac in 1989 and he got tired of waiting.
The value to me, of donating a 2003 Jetta, is the absence of a car for 5 years and the option of waiting longer.
Oh, wait -- you're pretending all the goods on earth are in your Bank sooner or later. Right, I just sit there and sooner or later you will bring me the Batmobile.
Can we transfer rights and privileges into the bank? Cause I've been told a Nigerian ex-president has 40,000,000 dollars he wants to give me if I give him my bank account number. I will trade that opportunity for a 2003 Jetta.
Oh I forgot, the Bank can trade for me! So I will get a knock on the door and receive the value of a 2003 Jetta, as figured by the bank, in crayons and feminine hygiene products. I agreed to that when I burdened you with my property.
I would like to make a saw movie
Jud: Karen! Karen!
Karen: Oh my God! Help!
Jud: Karen!
<timer rings>
WhirrrrrrrrrCLANGbangbangbangbangbangbangCLAKK
Jigsaw: Shit! Hang on
Karen: Who's there?
Jigsaw: Aw, DAMN! it BROKE you gotta be kidding me!
Jud: Hello?
Jigsaw: Shut up! I gotta...OW! shit shit shit
Jud: are you using some sort of spring assembly?
Jigsaw: No smartass, a counterweight
Jud: DUDE. Wtf get an actuator
Karen: JUD! SHUT UP
Jigsaw: I like the feel of mechanical things--
Jud: How's it hanging? Ass.
Karen: SHUT UP!
Jud: you could precisely calculate the force needed and deliver it electrically in a single motion, But I guess you'd have to be able to count to ten
Jigsaw: Mister, you shut up or I'll put you, under a hammer, tripped by a ping pong ball
Karen: Jud we are THROUGH!
Jud: Ok well, so, I guess you don't need me here, cause I don't mind her getting killed now
Jigsaw: Hmm...
Barter banks would be set up to facilitate the maximization of profits for depositors and minimize cost of borrowing for clients, instead of maximizing profits for the bank.
Since you also declare you can't quantify the value of the deposit or the value received, this is meaningless. You deposit something and the bank will give you something; you agreed to like it in advance.
Texas has several thousand Original Peoples. Canada would become flooded with Comanche, Apache, Kiowa and Arapaho scouts in traditional garb riding around spying.
Texas has a Republican governor, like Montana, Wisconsin and Minnesota. These governors can declare a pardon for possessing goods stolen in Canada. Within hours, hoodlums from Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Chicago, Detroit and Buffalo will be looting Canada to hold street bazaars in Republican states.
Canadians in central provinces will flee to the coasts, which border liberal states. The roads will be choked with barefoot refugees, as the Original Peoples of Texas block intersections with traditional dances and blessings. Canadian authorities will be helpless in the face of cultural diversity.
In the coastal provinces, morale will be shattered as commando teams of American hockey players infiltrate friendly neighborhood games, pwning Canadian men in front of their girlfriends.
Texas politicians will cleverly manuever the US President by declaring the Constitution forbids him to offer support for Canada. The President will defiantly fly to Canada to offer support for its government. This will cause the government to fall.
Rudderless and disrupted, the provinces will seek to rejoin the British, French, and Japanese Empire, before giving up and allowing Texas to hold a victory barbecue in the lawn of the PM's residence.
You don't even trust the moderators of a forum, who have nothing that belongs to you. But you propose that we give a house to the Bank and the Bank will make a fair trade for us, and let us know after they did it?
Ostentation? He simply advertised he had it and asked who wanted it. Melvin wouldn't have got it if he hadn't posted he had it.
I bet Mother Teresa pissed you off something fierce
yeah I thought it was Suck My something or other but I kept being confused by sad people saying "oh this is sad smh"
fine Bara
What cutting edge software are you giving away today?
I mean he has something he wants to give away and he found somebody here who wanted it. Why the snark?
Master of Orion 2 is 10 years old and still enjoyable, and if you have a platform that can play 1998's SSI Wargame Construction Set III - Age of Rifles then you'll see how cool it is?
he has a point about banning FIFA
if somebody went to an American school and trampled and burned 20 kids in a stadium fire you'dbe like, OK that's sad but part of life
I give you a thing like a house, and you will urge me to wait to get something I like, and maybe its not as good, but you will say it should be
I also learned good shit to use like lol, lmao, rofl, lmfahole, atm (what initially I thought it was ass-to-mouth) and use kool words like "wahtever", or "stuff" or "shit"
for a long time I was confused by smh
I met foriegners
"The depositor may deposit a house, even. And then go on a camping trip, occasionally checking his account to see what other sorts of residences had been bartered for the property he or she had deposited. After waiting a couple weeks, it so happened that the system listed a property he or she FELT they liked and then "cashed-in" and moved into their new residence."
I get it now. It's not that you can't or won't honor your promise offer increasing value, it's the fault of the customer for being an impatient poopypants. They will get more-- MORE FUN IN SHOPPING!!!
You're a con artist.
After a year, then, the initial depositor would be entitled to MORE than just the initial deposit (a book). His initial deposit has facilitated the use of various items, all to many other people's benefit. The barter-chain owes the initial depositor whatever item that has been 'bartered-up', something which should have become something with a perceived value far greater than the initial deposit; in this case, say a car.
Math is a language. See this
After a year, then, the initial depositor would be entitled to (100% + x) than just (100%) the initial deposit (a book). His initial deposit (100%)has facilitated the use of various items, all to many other people's benefit. The barter-chain owes the initial depositor whatever item that has been 'bartered-up', something which should have become something with a perceived value far greater than the initial deposit (100% +x) ; in this case, say a car.
Meaning is unchanged.
And there is the flaw: As each early donor can demand something more than what he donated if he didn't barter all along, you would owe everybody more than what you have at hand, or you would have sufficient value but insufficient goods to distribute. Since you aren't trading money, only concrete items, you will develop shortfalls. It doesn't really matter that you don't give specific rates or valuations; the problem is you promise MORE THAN, to EVERYBODY.
yes
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