The VOC was a state company, not the other way around. It makes perfect sense.

I wouldn't mind seeing this one return though, if the counties would unite
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Flag_-_Low_Countries_-_XVth_Century.png

And this was a nifty flag as well:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Flag_of_Austrian_Low_Countries.svg

You're right. You always have to question a source. I was wrong there.

All I meant to say, though, is that if we assume the first one to be true (wich everyone did by not attacking it), then we should treat the second one with the same respect, for the sake of this argument.

"Clearly edited imho. Jumped location to location. Very savy efforts. I suspect the videotape was made in advance, then distributed... after all if they were jammed... and if no one was released immeadiately..."

That can be said about all footage we've seen about the incident so far. It's quite easy to manipulate moving footage nowadays..
That it was made in advance doesn't make sense though. Who would have thought this would happen?

So until we have proof to believe otherwise, we should assume both videofragments are not falsified.

I do!

Only when you expect them to shoot back..
If you're boarding a possible civilian vessel, shooting is a rather risky move, no? You might end up with the entire world condemning your action

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"In the United States, we consider this one of the most used excuses for racist people.... "Oh I have black friends so I'm not racist""

How about this then: I have both jewish and islamic friends, islamic family members, I did voluntary work as an animator for refugee children, I did voluntary work as a homework helper for Roma children, I lived in a house for rehabilitating homeless people for a while and the list goes on. It's sad you play the person instead of the ball..

And I'm still waiting for Flint's explanation about Bollywood..

"I think einstein meant pallywood"

If that's true, I must say it tells a lot about his worldview

"And Bollywood is alive and well. I say nuke them just for their propoganda."

What in god's arse has the Indian filmindustry of Mumbai (with a small 70% of Hindu's) to do with all this?

"Hamas and Hezbollah = random killers of Israeli civilians for political momentum"

So does the Israelian army. They kill random citizens in strikes as well.

"Palestinian authority = Hamas and Hezbollah"

You conveniently forget about al-Fatah, wich rules the Western Jordan bank. Forgetting about them only shows you're bigotted. Hezbollah has little official political power in Palestina.

"I would shoot you dead in a heartbeat Arcolex. You are a racist. You will say anything, do anything to support your racist adgenda."

If there's one person being bigotted, it's you Flint. You called all Palestinians terrorists. And even worse, you call all muslims terrorists with this line:
"If I could determine the soldier who killed you I would throw him a kegger party with a mock of of mohammed f***ing your arse.".

Also, here's a map. It shows how much respect the Israeli's are showing the Palestinians. And you say the latter abused the Oslo agreements?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/West_Bank_%26_Gaza_Map_2007_%28Settlements%29.png
And they destroyed dozens of mosques in these last decennia.
It's just impossible to maintain that the Israeli's have the moral upper hand. They're at least equally as brutal as certain Palestinian terrorist groups. But if some organisation brings supplies, kills 9 people in the process, it's a-ok with you?

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