476

(32 replies, posted in Politics)

Justinian I wrote:
The Great Eye wrote:

What distinguishes dumb arguments based on religion from dumb arguments based on any other false presumption?

Well, religious arguments are part of a class of arguments that rely on, at some point, empirically untestable arguments. If I tried to disprove transubstantiation by using scientific instruments to test if the wine, while it was used in ritual, turned in to blood, no Catholic would or or could be persuaded by the test results.

Which gets back to my point about religious expression and politics. Unlike the theory that aliens are living on the moon, religious arguments enjoy certain privileges from criticism that are easily abused.

Again... how does that distinguish that from other dumb arguments with no root in religion?  The fact that someone can look directly at evidence and deny it?  Yeah, that's nothing special.

477

(32 replies, posted in Politics)

What distinguishes dumb arguments based on religion from dumb arguments based on any other false presumption?

478

(32 replies, posted in Politics)

Justinian I wrote:

Freedom of Religion (FR) also means Freedom From Religion (FFR). When at least one religion is permitted to enjoy privileges in the public sphere, there is defacto coercion and discrimination in political and economic spaces - something that no free society should tolerate.

Okay, makes sense so far...


Therefore, the U.S. ought to strictly prohibit religious speech and practice in public spaces.

Huh?

479

(10 replies, posted in Ideas)

Right, but that can just as easily be used by a big fam to say "hi, I want to farm you while doing way less work than I need to!"  And guess what: a huge fam can do that MUCH better than any small fam can ever hope to.  At the point where it can be used on both sides of the confrontation, you have to evaluate its merits independent of the big fam/small fam wars.

Not to mention the tiebreaker: It can also be used by small fams for nefarious purposes.  For example, just ruining people's rounds for no damn good reason, or due to 10-year old petty disputes.  Just because you're in a small fam, it doesn't always mean you have the moral high ground.

480

(10 replies, posted in Ideas)

~*Pinwheel Forever*~ wrote:

Then take more Magic and keep ahead on the Wizard count, it's the life of Pop Banking I'm afraid.


Why?  Why should there be a strategy which is 100% undefeatable except for "do what the other guy does, but build more of it?"  Remember, an attacker doesn't need to actually use their agents to harm the defender through attrition warfare from upkeep... and since there's no way to kill wizzies, that war of attrition can keep going on forever.  How many good strategy games exist in which you can spam one unit and an opponent has absolutely no tool to stop that unit except to counter it with their own equivalent?  Besides, how many times do we hear people say that if an opper really wants to hit a banker, they'll probably end up succeeding?

That's not a defense.  In many cases, it's hardly strategy.

481

(10 replies, posted in Ideas)

The problem, though, is that there's no reciprocity.  Someone building a massive fighter fleet can be countered by building more fighters or stationing fighters.  Massive ground?  Either out-ground them or have fun trapping the target with fighter fleets.

Agents and wizzies are the exception.  If your bankers don't have sufficient defenses against them, you lose.  There's no alternative method of stopping wizards.

Additionally, because this threat exists, the actual act of using wizards is damaging enough in itself.  If I build 10 million wizards, a fam that suspects I hate them has to waste resources to build 5 million soldiers on all their relevant bankers.  That's a resource hit.  Then they have to pay upkeep.  That's a hit.  Meanwhile, I'm screwing around with other fams or doing random PIs, knowing full well that bankers in the fam I hate are blowing a solid amount of income purely for deterrence purposes... and if they let their guard down?  I reign hell on them, and there's not a damn thing they can do about it.


So no... I don't buy that it's a "a big risk" that's justified.

482

(10 replies, posted in Ideas)

Modification to the idea!



Banker A wants to protect its pop from Pax A.  Banker A asks Pax B, from its own fam, to protect it.  Pax B casts "Assist Ally Defense" or whatever the hell we want to name the op.  The op doesn't outright prevent spells.  Rather, it records the amount of wizzies Pax B used in the op, and uses that as the banker's defensive number for the next wizzie op against it within the next 8 (or 5, or however many you want) ticks.

1: This solves the problem of how many wizzies are necessary to complete the op, because it makes the op's efficiency still require proportionality to the attacker's wizzies.
2: The op involves multilayered strategy.  A defender has to decide whether they want to focus on protecting their bankers or opping the opposing bankers.  Sure, the opper can protect their ally pretty easily.  But then the other side's bankers get a free ride!
3: Additionally, this creates an interesting dynamic when a defending pax has to manage multiple bankers.  If I'm protecting two pop bankers, should I protect them both evenly or favor the bigger one?  After all, protecting each with 3 ops will stop someone who decides to target one banker, then switch to the other once they realize the first is protected.  On the other hand, perhaps that attacking pax would just plow 7 ops through your defensive ops anyway... 3 fail due to your protection, but the rest break through.

483

(97 replies, posted in Roleplay)

The roof!  The roof!  The roof is on fire!

484

(58 replies, posted in Politics)

Remember, though, that the National Guard can be called up by the federal government as well as the state.  So yeah, either agency theoretically could, but the federal government doesn't exercise its control over the National Guard on a regular basis, so it's more likely a state issue.

485

(5 replies, posted in Politics)

Fact: New Zealand legalized marriage with sheep before same-sex marriage!

486

(58 replies, posted in Politics)

... I hope that's a joke.

487

(58 replies, posted in Politics)

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Awww, come on, guys!  It was bad enough to see Render as the voice of reason around this thread.  But xeno?  Jeeez!  X(

(Edit: Wrong thread, initially.)  smile

488

(58 replies, posted in Politics)

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There is something really bad going on when Render is the voice of reason in a politics forum thread.


But yeah, I'm with Render.  Even if we assume the government is run by Lex Luthor and Dr. Evil, their evil plan is to justify an invasion of some nation by... killing 3 people?  This sounds like something concocted by Pinky and the Brain.

489

(58 replies, posted in Politics)

When I have more than 10 seconds to read.  tongue

490

(58 replies, posted in Politics)

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Aaaaand you're definitely getting a warning, Flint.  X(

Xeno wrote:
Mister Spock wrote:

I vote Libertarian and I take care of myself.

I don't owe you anything.

You are American, and so, yes, you owe me nothing.  But if you cheated on your taxes while another American earning less than you didn't cheat, you owe them.

Interesting question, then: If a poor person cheats on their taxes, do they owe a wealthy person who doesn't cheat on their taxes?  tongue

492

(372 replies, posted in General)

Poor Zarf.  sad

493

(55 replies, posted in Politics)

And I'd love to continue the argument, but I'm way too busy irl... jeez, I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition. X(

494

(55 replies, posted in Politics)

Mister Spock wrote:

The Great Eye,

You've never disputed my use of it before. Neither has The Yell, he just vaguely claims that I've misused it after a few uses without committing to any particular statement. As you do here.

Because I've literally never misused it before.

I don't know where you all get off making vague claims when you lack the courage or the conviction to actually state disagreement in any particular instance, but you've got it all wrong. You have cockiness but not experience or confidence. You have the order wrong. You're supposed to get a clue and the confidence to talk about it before you become vaguely arrogant about it later. It's awkward.


O RLY?


http://imperialconflict.com/forum/viewt … ?id=182550

The Great Eye wrote:

Am I missing something?  Please copy/paste for me the part where he literally says he wants to bomb out-of-combat Americans in America, so I know what you're talking about, cause I could be missing it here.  Cause remember, you're saying he "literally" said he wanted the right to bomb out-of-combat Americans.  If it's literal, as you say, there should be a quote outright saying exactly that.  I'm not seeing it.

This in response to this quote:

Mister Spock wrote:

Obviously they wanted to retain the ability to bomb Americans not in combat in America. They literally said so.

Which was a quote using this to support the statement:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/0 … 13857.html

"The question you have posed is therefore entirely hypothetical, unlikely to occur, and one we hope no president will ever have to confront. It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States," Holder wrote.

"For example, the president could conceivably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances like a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on December 7, 1941, and September 11, 2001," Holder continued, referring to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Holder said he would "examine the particular facts and circumstances" if such an emergency were to arise.




And, when given a follow-up link, sworn under oath, from that same guy, explaining that attacks beyond an imminent threat scenario would be unconstitutional... the reply included:

Mister Spock wrote:

This is why I'm not fixated on the specific language used. They're lawyers and politicians. They're liars. They stretch words and mislead worse than I ever legally could, and I'm in advertising.


So yes.  I have disputed your bastardization of the word "literally" before, very much on point.  At that point, it was clear that "literally" simply didn't mean to you what it means to the rest of the world, and instead simply means "I want to make this point sound REALLY important."  tongue


I'll take your apology at any time.  Thanks!

495

(55 replies, posted in Politics)

... Holy shit.

That is possibly the first time all year Kemp has used the word "literally" as the word was intended.  yikes

496

(18 replies, posted in Politics)

Much better link!  tongue

497

(18 replies, posted in Politics)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw0jwrWqOKI

498

(22 replies, posted in General)

I killed him in that mafia game!

499

(63 replies, posted in Politics)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/ … ML20130405


I'm pretty sure this is "politics makes strange bedfellows" on crack.

500

(63 replies, posted in Politics)

1mAnaRmY wrote:

There is a difference between a communist govnm't and an anti communist society. A counter semadic govmn't wouldn't feud internally nor let peace in an international community come to an abrupt halt in a section as small as the baratic haulk called (this middle eastern such and such) eastern shore... But nuns dont make it out alive... Unless it is the navy pushing down the front in lebannon and pulvaria.... But that wouldn't make any sense since JFK's days of tyranny in a ludic sense...
If Obama wants to punk north korea it wouldn't be no fun. Political amnesty is declare able and leading west lands no punk. Al-Queda got creamed and spun nik landed on the moon right? So what stops the president of the united states checking this bitch?
Looks like your tales been a Marietta impaled into pounds of slump. Or a stick pocked into a pile of chit to compare a war with the USA and N. Korea... There hasn't been a more worthy competitor since the Slavic cold war fronted in eastern Germany... (which is NW side of undeclared middle eastern fronts)


One tag point to the person (not 1mAnaRmy) who can best explain/translate this.  No, not joking.